Originally Posted by jinx00
What are you guys doing about the Swedish bots that are currently playing on your site? One of them just won the BBJ. Another one the jackpot sometime in February. I discussed this on another forum and it appears that Winning Poker Network is ignoring this problem.
These group of players was brought up in the True Poker thread ten months ago. Since then nothing was done. Several players even wrote about this group of players to support and still nothing was done.
I would post this in the ACR or True thread ,the skin I play on,but it seems like they don't answer question often and it seems the Black Chip Rep is the best person for this problem.
This problem is seriously a joke. I will likely start a thread directly to regarding this as the network is either ignoring the problem in order to generate traffic promotions, like The Beast which seem to be in line with this school of though or they are a part of it, which is far fetched but a possibly I suppose.
No offense to you but aren't you one of them? I understand what you mean
as I have played on this network for over a year now. Again, no offense but aren't you from Sweden and don't you exhibit the same behaviors these other Swedes do? I'm really not trying to accuse you of anything I just would like to know because I have grouped you in the same category as these other players.
Also, what evidence do you have that they are bots? I am not disagreeing with you by any means... I'm just curious as to your reasoning. It has been my belief that, while it is possible they are bots, it's more likely they're part of some sort of "Poker ring". I don't believe they are in collusion or anything like that but it is obvious they are somewhat connected because of the reasons you pointed out and other reasons. Just to reiterate:
-Similar HUD stats (not absolute... some play tighter than others, some 3bet more some less, etc.)
-Nearly identical bet sizing (post flop anyway. a couple of them have different opening sizes and 3b sizes but more-or-less their sizing is the same)
-Identical timing tells (this is the biggest evidence imo that they are bots. they always take the exact same amount of time to fold, call, raise etc. and their timing pretty much never varies (ie. opponent donk shoves the river which made the Swedish player the nuts it's always 1, 2, 3, call. Most players would call much quicker here but these players have the same timing whether they made the nuts or are just folding). They never use the Auto-Fold checkbox unless they are UTG + 1. Go ahead, watch them. I've never seen any of them use this feature unless they are in this position.
-They play the same games, like you mentioned, but never CAP tables. Some compelling evidence that they are part of some sort of group is the fact they they NEVER played the (Short) tables. A few months ago (give or take) they ALL suddenly started sitting in these games. Like I said, I've played on this network for a while so I have been able to notice tendencies between these players. This was a big one imo.
-They don't play 3-handed or less (usually, there has been some instances where it has been me, the player in question, and 1 other weaker player and they continued to play 3-handed but they almost always insta-sit out as the game breaks).
-They don't use wait lists.
-They don't chat (not compelling evidence obviously but just another coincidence)
-They play many hours at a time (6-8 hour "shifts" straight with no breaks. Definitely not compelling evidence of a bot as many players can do this but they do it with such consistency while exhibiting all of the other behaviors [never breaking their timing, never varying bet sizes, etc] that it's a bit suspicious.
There are probably other reasons that I can't think of atm but that's most of them. These players definitely could be bots because of all the reasons stated and certainly look/play like bots. The reason I recently started to think they aren't bots is because I feel like the level of play is too high for a bot. I've seen these players make adjustments that I would not expect a bot to make. For example, against an absolute maniac. As you know, these players Cbet at a very high frequency. Well, I've seen cases where they have started to take other lines such as check/folding flops they would normally cbet, check/call, etc. I've seen them start 3betting at a much higher rate against these types of maniac/aggressive players. I've seen them get it in light against these same types of opponents. I've also seen occasions where I believe the player in question has tilted. It could be a coincidence, or it may not. In my opinion (admittedly I know little to nothing about bots) it just doesn't seem possible a bot would be able to adjust and make reads based on opponents' tendencies and HUD stats as a human player would make. With that said, ALL of the other evidence points to them being bots in my opinion. So if there is a way that there is some sort of bot that is advanced enough to to adjust to game flow and opponent tendencies then I would absolutely agree these players are bots. Whether or not that is the case I don't know. Anyways, that's my take on the situation because, as you can tell, I've thought about this a lot over the past year+.