what about progressive bounty MTTs?

Within 6 months i hope. When we move to the new software its something i will be pushing for when everything is smooth and they can start dev on features!

@Winning TD any plans to try to incent LHE games? I've been trying to game start and when I do a game gets going, but it would be nice if there could be some incentives around it. HU rake discounts only apply to HU tables I believe so it would be nice if there were some way to encourage game starting (same rake as HU tables, or increased RB for HU play at a 6max or FR table just a couple thoughts) and to run some promos geared at the LHE community. Just spit balling ideas.

LHE is not as sexy as NLHE but their is still a player base out there looking for good games. I hate the game play on ignition but I'm forced to play there if I want to pLay more than one table. If ignition can get LHE going, so can WPN.

Thanks

Here is the main one.

Beautiful graphs created here by fancypighulk: https://imgur.com/a/4yTzbdC

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-bot-1727995/

I think there is more pressing issues on the network than trying to revive a dead game.

Copied this post from that thread as I think this is elegantly worded.

obetwice, glowworm and loktar back in the mix at plo10/25/50/100

All the mid and stakes bots running around the clock without a care in the world.

It has come to my attention that one of the bots has been playing 15/30 for a couple weeks now (CarrdSharrk)

Again i just checked some things on this player. What things do you think classify him a bot?

I don't need to repeat myself as I have posted hundreds of times and as recently as yesterday in great detail why this is a bot.

https://imgur.com/a/vvcddpT

compare this with another highstakes bot

https://imgur.com/a/h2SFaTK

and glowworm, a true legend of the plo100/200 streets (but not a single hand at higher or lower stakes)

https://imgur.com/a/M8D8SMA

whatever you are checking is probably not relevant/important if you can't spot the most obvious bots in the world

BTW im not trying to argue with you. Im just interested to see. I check some players live records and sometimes they are absolute beasts in the live scene also.
Like i guess not everyone with really good stats is a bot. Is that fair to say?

Who said these are really good stats? These are absolutely not "good" stats. In fact top players will rip players with these stats to shreds. They are stats that are ONLY seen with this particular bot that is on basically every stake on your PLO cash tables. Nothing about the way this bot plays is in any way difficult for a player that is in the top 5 percentile of players to exploit. That is a very important distinction because the vast majority of players are not in the top 5 percentile. So what happens is that the bot steals fish/bad reg money that would have been won by the best players.

Edit: Perhaps you are talking about win rate, the win rates are unimportant, some bots are winning prerakeback, some are losing. What is important is POSTFLOP stats. There are specific stats that these bots only have in common with each other, and no winning human regulars. Some of these are MULTIWAY FLOP CBET>HU FLOP CBET, FLOP BET VS MISSED CBET(FLOAT), TURN CHECK RAISE, PREFLOP SQUEEZE>PREFLOP 3BET, FLOP TURN AND RIVER AGGRESSION FACTOR/FREQUENCY\

A few years ago someone mentioned in the pokerstars botring thread that SQUEEZE>3BET is not some magical formula to winning. They were correct. Multiway flop cbet being higher than hu flop cbet also is not some magical formula to winning that is some tightly kepty secret amongst crushers. But every single one of these bots does this.

I didnt take a good look at the stats and compare.
I guess my point is and where i was going with this. I have seen names of friends who have been accused of being bots but i know are absolute beasts at poker.
Its like where do you draw the line.
Again please dont think im trying to argue with you . This is a friendly discussion

Did any of them have a multiway flop cbet that was higher than hu flop cbet? As well as a flop float percentage over 75%? If the answers to both of these were yes then it is a good chance that they are in fact a bot. If they also min raised or folded when facing a straddle EVERY SINGLE TIME, had a preflop squeeze% that was higher than preflop 3b%, never played cap/no rathole tables or tournaments, and had a flop, turn and river AFq that was very close to the bot average of 46/45/32 then I'd say it is a certainty.

What is up with the " we are sorry but this table is being closed for technical reasons " pop up that I've seen about a half dozen times in the last two days

Winning_TD sensory overload probably isn't doing you any favors. My challenge to you is to have Handofgod66 PM you ONE stat, and only ONE stat, that you agree would be abnormal if it were outside a certain range. And when you check that stat against those that are considered human versus those that are considered bots...I bet you might finally see the light. You will be like, "holy crap every one of these bot f@#$ers is making the same exact abnormal play."

Hands' has given given you a blueprint. These bots are winning up until a certain level, not because they have perfect stats, but because their programming is good enough to absolutely crush rec players.

The bots few/several abnormal stats are the real bot catching technique.

When statistical data and seating tendencies are nearly identical across multiple accounts over a large sample of hand data when it would be improbable, if not impossible, to achieve without the use of botting software.

You have independent sites datamining your games that allows us to conclude that these accounts are definitely bots over very large samples of hand data. This is one of the easiest, most basic and most accurate methods for identifying bots. If your security team is not already doing this, or able to properly analyze this data to reach the same conclusions that we are, then you guys should hire somebody who is capable of doing that.

I hope you take that as advice. It really is necessary unless you are able to detect every piece of software that is connecting to your site, which I don't believe is possible. People have been developing methods to keep 3rd party software hidden from the detection of sites for years.

Mass distributed bot profiles can't hide their tendencies and hand data. The best they could do is customize each bot individually. This would lead to a much smaller amount of profitable bots.

Will u bring back hu tables?

In basically every practical application of statistics a certain threshhold becomes accepted as 0% due to chance. Is it statisically possible for the statue of liberty to start dancing due to random movements of atoms? Yes. But nobody would accept that as anything less than impossible even though it is merely improbable.

You made some excellent points, I think it is likely that there is more bots that do exist that are only being run on one or a few accounts. These require more advanced detection methods that I think would be outside my own purview. We have over 80 accounts that were previously active or currently active all with outrageously obvious stats that are not even close to how winning regulars are playing on WPN. Eventually bots will become more sophisticated that they are completely indistiguishable from top humans. Maybe we are already there but I doubt it.

Also it is interesting that not a single person has come in to vouch for any of these accused accounts to date. Some of the pokerstars botters defended themselves in the 2016 thread. It is a small piece of evidence but another one nonetheless.

you are including 6-max yes? I should have specified that I was talking about full ring. Apparently there are a lot more full ring 10nl games so last night I had 1 table of 25nl and 6 of 10nl going. I wish there was more 25nl but oh well.

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but does anyone else experience a glitch with the time bank warning sound on ACR? Even when my tables are on break, I hear a constant (roughly ever 7-10 seconds) timebank warning sound coming from ACR.

It's also incredible annoying while multitabling because I never know when I am hearing a real warning that requires my attention.

Any way to fix this issue without muting all sounds?

Yeah, why did I notice so many fewer 6 max tables running @ micros/lows last night?

All you need to do is look up your opponents and find the 50 accounts that all play the same lol. It's not rocket science, just look for this.... Almost the same numbers over a variety of different stats. If you got a bunch of regs' stats together they don't look like carbon copies whereas these players are clones.



This list is old and from the old subforum.

If there is a way, let me know. I mute all sounds

the only way is to close out the client and then log on again

So will hm2 work on the new software? I asked on IG a while back and they said more info will be out soon.

I am a rec player but wanna use a hud because I already do and I’m trying to slowly learn more. Plan on playing a little more again sense seems like ACR may be trying to address some of their issues which is a breath of fresh air.

I haven’t watched any of the twitch streams but I doubt I’ll get a refund from the .50 on demand sngs. I really can’t wait to watch the podcast with Joey to get a feel for Phil’s approach to all this. Basically to see if he seems sincere.

HEM and PT4 will work with the new software yes.

Im glad your recognizing what we are really trying to do here!

Sounds great I’m sure it’s been posted but is there a timeframe for release?

Hoping end of May. of course there can be set backs