*** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

[chisness]

Anyone who plays cap standardish 22/20 run the postgre SQL thing? Results?

[jspill]

Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

Mate, I'm not being a dick.

Hmm you do seem a bit uptight about it Super interesting stuff though, I hope you and DIR work out who is right and report back to the rest of us laymen, whose brains are too fried from mashing F5 this last week.

[DiggertheDog]

I think SNE guys - who are taking a big hit from the changes should get compensation for the late and dramatic shift in pokerstars rake policy.

Some might not be able to maintain SNE under the new policies.


My suggestion: Lower the bar on total number of vpps needed to maintain SNE status each month.

That way the players who had their model broken - would still get the benefits of their previous years labour - as alot of you guys are multi-year SNE - I think this is fair.


Hope you like the idea - and can get it.

Regards

Digger.

[new_draks]

GL guys

[Invertible]

Going to make a start on SNE tomorrow in the hope that PS does the right thing and adjusts their rake/VIP model asap. They have always been the site to lead the way, don't let me down now.

If they ran more regular promos like happy hour/bonuses/etc that's just as good. I just hope its not just a January promo to keep us sweet in the hope we forget about everything.

Anyone have a decent list of SNE chasers on twitter to follow and keep me motivated?

[Mickyb]

Originally Posted by chisness

Anyone who plays cap standardish 22/20 run the postgre SQL thing? Results?

No, but based on 3.2k hands today VPP totals are down 22% for me, so 28% more hands for the same VPP total.

I'm tentatively in for 1M.

[lead24]

Originally Posted by Mickyb

No, but based on 3.2k hands today VPP totals are down 22% for me, so 28% more hands for the same VPP total.

I'm tentatively in for 1M.

whats your vpip and pfr?


I'm in for 2mm if cap games are still running once these darn banks open up so i could make a wire. I'm starting with 378k though.

[Mickyb]

Originally Posted by lead24

whats your vpip and pfr?

22/20

[Bruut99]

Guess we get what we deserve, people actually arguing against rake reduction. Blows my mind.

[Invertible]

Originally Posted by Bruut99

Guess we get what we deserve, people actually arguing against rake reduction. Blows my mind.

+1 some of the things I've read in these stars threads the last week or so ............ jeez

[punter11235]

Anyone who plays cap standardish 22/20 run the postgre SQL thing? Results?

I've run pt3 stats for you and other regs on 3/6cap. PM for results. They are scary though
I can post them but I am not sure about screenname stuff. Suggestions ?

Guess we get what we deserve, people actually arguing against rake reduction. Blows my mind.

People are incredibly stupid which is very bad with poker players because they are also confident in **** they believe and instead of analyzing stuff people 10x wiser than them post they spew their bs.
It is apparent in about every discussion about poker related stuff (like bots, AI, rake, hell even poker strategy itself).
I completely lost faith in poker players ability to organize or do anything intelligent as a group
Anyway, if you want resutls from 3/6 cap PM me or tell me what should I do with posting sn's (blank them ? just post them ?).
I will do 2/4 and 1/2 later when I have time.

[overrdose.]

So stupid how they announce these changes so late. Im away on vacation for the first 8 days of january and missing HAPPY HOUR!!!

Not sure if I'm chasing SNE this year, I may be in...will prob just play stars the first month to see if they reverse their moneygrab to an extent, then multi-site. GL to all the SNE grinders.

[brrrap!]

Originally Posted by punter11235

I've run pt3 stats for you and other regs on 3/6cap. PM for results. They are scary though
I can post them but I am not sure about screenname stuff. Suggestions ?

Can you post them here without the screennames?

[Mickyb]

Rom and I have posted analysis of why a rake reduction won't benefit many players. Most of those who consider it obvious that a rake reduction would be beneficial have made no argument at all.

I made two points in my post, I probably overplayed the first and underplayed the second. Perhaps I can do better.

SNE currently requires $183k rake paid and is worth $130k rakeback, net $53k earned by Pokerstars. The fish and low volume/low stake regs also pay a fair bit of rake, and Stars have money for promotions that bring in fish.

This is much, much better than the same player in the above example paying $120k rake and getting $67k rakeback. Stars take the same $53k from him, but much less out of the games in total, therefore have less money to spend on promos. The only high volume grinders who should prefer this are those with egos too fragile to cope with the status of "rakeback pro".

[Lun@tic]

Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

No, that would not be the correct formula. You can't just magically pull $20 out of your arsehole and stick it back in to the formula.

Here's the same problem again, but re-worded for simplicity:

You are little confused, and example u make is not proper.
We are (I hope so) not about getting pump, we are about our income.
Simple math: U play X hand (does not matter how much) and win $1000 before rake taken. Lets say you pays $800 rake to the room (under 5% system) (exact number not matters too). If u get 60% RB it will be $480 back. Lets sum income: $1000 - $800 + $480 = $680

Moving on. Imagine rake is 4.5%. U pay from net winnings only ($800*4.5/5)=$720. 60% RB will be $720*0.6=432. Calculating income: $1000 - $720 + $432 = $712



Not focus only on RB, we are playng to win!