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01-01-2012, 02:19 PM   #106
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Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

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 Originally Posted by Do it Right No need to be a dick, especially not when you're wrong. Since we've changed to weighted contributed already, and that is not going away - you would need to factor in the 20% reduction you claim in the original figures as well. If they're worth \$0.80 after the rake reduction, they're worth \$0.80 before the rake reduction.
Mate, I'm not being a dick. It is a little frustrating though having to correct you when you have simply failed to read carefully, and understand what is clearly being stated.

And you have done it yet again with this current post!

The 20% reduction does not have to be factored in to the original example. The whole point of the example is to compare the 2011 situation with the new WC rake along with a 20% reduction in rake.

It really is not too hard to understand. If you really are, as I had believed, competent working with numbers then you shouldn't have any trouble with it if you just take the time to read it thoroughly.

 01-01-2012, 03:30 PM #107 grinder   Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 447 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** Agree with Rom that decreasing the rake is not the way to go. Basically it will screw over anyone who is just capable of making SNE. SNE rakeback [not FR] = 71.3%. Stars take \$52600. If rake was reduced by 20% - 800k VPP rakeback [not FR] = 60.8%. Stars take \$57500. For FR, the numbers would be \$37k and \$45k respectively. Much more significantly, reduced rake means fewer promotions means fewer fish. We are already seeing promotions in January that I wouldn't have expected to have seen last year. IMO, FR and 6max need to be brought in line, as much for the integrity of the system as for the benefit of the 6max players. At this stage, I would be happy with 6x VPP across the board, even if combined with a small [5%] reduction in the value of SNE - but, of course, it's not just SNEs who will be affected by any change so balancing such a system would be non-trivial for Stars. Last edited by Mickyb; 01-01-2012 at 03:38 PM.
01-01-2012, 04:29 PM   #108
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Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

Just posting in here to let you know about development of my situation.

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 Hi Chris, Thank you for the info, I was just considering if I should remind you that or not. I am looking forward to hear any news of the situation. Have a nice day Martin > ------------ Původní zpráva ------------ > Od: > Předmět: RE:Re: Abuse of VIP Program > Datum: 01.1.2012 22:02:24 > ---------------------------------------- > Hi Martin, > > Thank you for the reply. > > I am still waiting to hear from someone on this matter. Hopefully that happens > very soon. > > Just wanted to let you know I of course have not forgotten about this, and I > will get you news as soon as I have any. > > Sincerely, > Chris J
So it seems that tomorrow is the day when I find out if I am SNE for 2011 or not. If yes, count me in 4 mil VPP chase and maybe some propbet challenges with B3RTstare.

 01-01-2012, 04:57 PM #109 old hand     Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,377 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** Think I am in for this, just testing out at first hopefully I can continue. Sick 1st day though in a good way
 01-01-2012, 05:22 PM #110 journeyman   Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Norwich, UK Posts: 249 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** Hopefully stars release higher buyin hypers, I'm in for 2 million if so... if not i'l try just for elite but it'll be a stretch to say the least! gl in 2012 everyone : )
01-01-2012, 05:22 PM   #111
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Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

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 Originally Posted by Mickyb Agree with Rom that decreasing the rake is not the way to go. Basically it will screw over anyone who is just capable of making SNE. SNE rakeback [not FR] = 71.3%. Stars take \$52600. If rake was reduced by 20% - 800k VPP rakeback [not FR] = 60.8%. Stars take \$57500. For FR, the numbers would be \$37k and \$45k respectively. Much more significantly, reduced rake means fewer promotions means fewer fish. We are already seeing promotions in January that I wouldn't have expected to have seen last year. IMO, FR and 6max need to be brought in line, as much for the integrity of the system as for the benefit of the 6max players. At this stage, I would be happy with 6x VPP across the board, even if combined with a small [5%] reduction in the value of SNE - but, of course, it's not just SNEs who will be affected by any change so balancing such a system would be non-trivial for Stars.
They should probably raise the rake to 90% then and every SNE would become a millionaire.. this is so f stupid

 01-01-2012, 05:32 PM #112 grinder   Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 538 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** 301k
 01-01-2012, 05:35 PM #113 enthusiast   Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Spain Posts: 73 Going for my 3rd SNE. Will mostly play turbo SNGs and hyper sats, but will also take a lookat hyper SNGs if they are introduced. GL all!
 01-01-2012, 05:52 PM #114 journeyman     Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 357 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** Steve, is there any discount for the deauville package for sne? cant see in the vip store.
 01-01-2012, 06:20 PM #115 adept   Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 912 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** I'm showing about a 15% increase in VPPs so far. I only played about 500 hands, will report back in a few days. I play mid/high fixed limit HE.
 01-01-2012, 06:23 PM #116 veteran     Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Minimum stake, maximum rake Posts: 3,057 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** The whole "don't decrease the rake for VIP purposes" is retarded. Rake lowering equates to 100% rb for the rake that is reduced. VIP program even at top tier is ~60% rb. You are paying less rake with a rake reduction and the subsequent rb loss than with the current system. Also, vast vast majority of the playerpool (casual and reg alike) would benefit from this change. Literally the only way players would benefit more is if they're on the edge of some major milestone and are unable to make it due to the lost vpp. This probably amounts to a fraction of a percent of the playerpool and not a meaningful percentage of rake generated for stars (unlike the WC switch which is a 10-30% vpp reduction for every plat+ player).
01-01-2012, 06:25 PM   #117
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Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

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 Originally Posted by manoN Steve, is there any discount for the deauville package for sne? cant see in the vip store.
There will be a discount, whether it is in the store or not. You can email vipclub@pokerstars.com to get a price.

01-01-2012, 06:28 PM   #118
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Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

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 Originally Posted by phasE89 Just posting in here to let you know about development of my situation. So it seems that tomorrow is the day when I find out if I am SNE for 2011 or not. If yes, count me in 4 mil VPP chase and maybe some propbet challenges with B3RTstare.
just tell them that you are going for 4 milion VPP (700k in rake lol) this year if they make you SNE... it might speed up their decision a little bit

 01-01-2012, 06:33 PM #119 journeyman     Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 281 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** Glad you're back steve. Many people are looking forward to hearing a statement. I hope you realise the gravity of the situation.
 01-01-2012, 06:47 PM #120 grinder   Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 516 Re: *** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat *** POKERSTARS STEVE, Now that Pokerstars has shown they are willing to make drastic changes to the VIP system on December 29th without balanced compensation.... Can we moved away from a VIP system that rewards people the following YEAR???? Given Pokerstars' last minute crap I'm thinking I need SAME YEAR VIP REWARDS.

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