*** Official 2012 Supernova Elite pursuit thread, with related chat ***

[ROM Amnesty]

0.15 VPPs/hand at 100NL, albeit just a 2k hand sample.

Any chance Stars can increase the number of hours in a day so that SNE may still be possible?

[Sect7G]

Anyone know what happened to DickKemp and Roy? Haven't heard a peep out of either since the whole WC topic came up.

[Mickyb]

Originally Posted by ROM Amnesty

0.15 VPPs/hand at 100NL, albeit just a 2k hand sample.

Any chance Stars can increase the number of hours in a day so that SNE may still be possible?

They have increased the number of days in the year, what more do you want?

[ROM Amnesty]

Originally Posted by Mickyb

They have increased the number of days in the year, what more do you want?

lol.

Thanks Stars for increasing the number of days in February by 3.57%

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Also, notice how you can now round your post-flop bets to the cent, rather than 0.05 as before.

E.g. You can raise to, say, $149.99 rather than just $149.95 previously.

[sdrf]

You know times are tough when SNEs notice a way to win (or loose) $0.04 more.

[jdawg91]

When are we getting our January blastoff (or w/e the **** the promo was called) bonuses attached to our account?

Already the 2nd...

[Do it Right]

Originally Posted by sdrf

You know times are tough when SNEs notice a way to win (or loose) $0.04 more.

Haha. This was actually a topic I was going to bring up another time. It seems like it would be very beneficial for the sites and for the players if rake was taken out of the pot after the hand had completed rather than street by street.

Every penny that goes in preflop is multiplied by up to 27x by the river given 3 up to pot size bets. When the rake is immediately grabbed out of the pot on each street that results in smaller pot sizes being played especially given many, if not the majority of people, are using auto-bet sizing. This is bad for the site since it means less net rake gets taken from the pot and it's bad for the players since the larger pots we are playing are made artificially smaller.

So for instance let's look at $100NL game under 5% per street vs 5% at the end:

Raked per street:
Pre: SB raises $3 BB calls $2.
Flop: ($6 - $0.30 = $5.70) SB pots. BB calls.
Turn: ($17.1 - $0.57 = $16.53) SB pots. BB calls.
River: ($49.59 - $1.65) = $47.94) SB pots. BB folds.
Total rake = 1.65 + 0.57 + 0.3 = $2.52
Final pot size = $47.94

Raked at the end:
Pre: SB raises $3 BB calls $2.
Flop: ($6) SB pots. BB calls.
Turn: ($18) SB pots. BB calls.
River: ($54) SB pots. BB folds.
Total rake = 54 * 0.05 = $2.70
Final pot size = 54 - 2.7 = $51.30

Exact same hand, exact same action but the site gets to rake nearly 7% more, the players get to play a hand without really awkward pot sizes and they also get to play a pot that is somewhat larger which should increase earn rates in the long run. The theory here is that player earn rates would increase while site rake would also increase but at a slightly lesser rate. As many players have seen their VPP drop due to recent changes from Stars, and their bb/100 drop due to not so recent changes in the games - this seems to be a way to leave all parties very satisfied.

Thoughts?

[ready 2 win]

Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

The rake changes are posted in this forum by player reps. They are also up on the PokerStars website. There are lobby banners on the ring game tabs on the client linking to the website with the updated rake.

So the player reps are now the official spokemen for stars here on 2+2?

Originally Posted by Sect7G

Anyone know what happened to DickKemp and Roy? Haven't heard a peep out of either since the whole WC topic came up.

I know DickKemp quit playing on stars and is now playing on other sites instead (he pposted that not long ago in the Supernova thread)

[waxdabox]

Originally Posted by jdawg91

When are we getting our January blastoff (or w/e the **** the promo was called) bonuses attached to our account?

Already the 2nd...

Would not be amused if it was limited to supernova and not sne! Would not be surprised tho amidst the stars sne hateaments !

[David99]

If Stars wants faster games then they should change the hand timer. i don't like this arbitrary raising and lowering of table limits.

[bbfreak]

only platinum and SN get the blast bonus

[chezlaw]

Originally Posted by David99

If Stars wants faster games then they should change the hand timer.

No the timer is for when you need a bit of time to think or have an occasional issue. Its being systematically abused by inconsiderate people who are harming the games. Hopefully they're going to end that abuse.

i don't like this arbitrary raising and lowering of table limits.

Who would? however this is nothing like arbitrary.

[vatelie]

Originally Posted by David99

If Stars wants faster games then they should change the hand timer.

I disagree. There are people who don't auto-pilot and need a couple of seconds before making a decision. It's not like we get too much time anyway.

[cashy]

Originally Posted by vatelie

I disagree. There are people who don't auto-pilot and need a couple of seconds before making a decision. It's not like we get too much time anyway.

thats what the timebank is for
i play fast tables exclusively and even those are waaaaay too slow because a lot of regs take 5secs+ to fold preflop every time

[Ifloattheflop]

Originally Posted by Do it Right

Haha. This was actually a topic I was going to bring up another time. It seems like it would be very beneficial for the sites and for the players if rake was taken out of the pot after the hand had completed rather than street by street.

Every penny that goes in preflop is multiplied by up to 27x by the river given 3 up to pot size bets. When the rake is immediately grabbed out of the pot on each street that results in smaller pot sizes being played especially given many, if not the majority of people, are using auto-bet sizing. This is bad for the site since it means less net rake gets taken from the pot and it's bad for the players since the larger pots we are playing are made artificially smaller.

So for instance let's look at $100NL game under 5% per street vs 5% at the end:

Raked per street:
Pre: SB raises $3 BB calls $2.
Flop: ($6 - $0.30 = $5.70) SB pots. BB calls.
Turn: ($17.1 - $0.57 = $16.53) SB pots. BB calls.
River: ($49.59 - $1.65) = $47.94) SB pots. BB folds.
Total rake = 1.65 + 0.57 + 0.3 = $2.52
Final pot size = $47.94

Raked at the end:
Pre: SB raises $3 BB calls $2.
Flop: ($6) SB pots. BB calls.
Turn: ($18) SB pots. BB calls.
River: ($54) SB pots. BB folds.
Total rake = 54 * 0.05 = $2.70
Final pot size = 54 - 2.7 = $51.30

Exact same hand, exact same action but the site gets to rake nearly 7% more, the players get to play a hand without really awkward pot sizes and they also get to play a pot that is somewhat larger which should increase earn rates in the long run. The theory here is that player earn rates would increase while site rake would also increase but at a slightly lesser rate. As many players have seen their VPP drop due to recent changes from Stars, and their bb/100 drop due to not so recent changes in the games - this seems to be a way to leave all parties very satisfied.

Thoughts?

Is it the idea of the year?

I, too, would be curious to know the reason why Pokerstars does not apply this system. There's gotta be a reason.

Does anyone know?