Great post. Can't wait to hear FTP Doug's response.

This is some interesting stuff you wrote there... Great observations! Ever thought of becoming a private investigator?

I'll be checking my PT database as well tonight, this might be happening on lower limits as well... Thanks for opening our naive eyes

Really solid work SukitTrebek. Well done.

First, I think everyone playing at FT should email them, citing this thread as incontrovertible evidence that these players are bots.

Second, perhaps we should establish some loose charter and/or rules for bot identification and reporting in the future. One issue I had with OP was his attempts to exploit the bots. This actually made the botter manually take over the bots, chat, and play more normally. Unfortunately, this could well have actually been the eventual ondoing of this case. Had he silently collected data without attempting to exploit the bots, the case would have been much more clear cut.

Well, as the bot-creator could manually "take over" the bots play and also "adjust" his play, it seems like the bots are still being developped... And for that reason I think OP has collected more than enough evidence with those two facts:

all have got EXACTLY same stats, over pretty much similar amount of hands (how can this possibly be a coincidence???)
all accounts sit down on a table at the same time and NEVER at the same table
(volume of hands played)

I think this case is very clear cut... How many hands do you really think he would have needed for this data to be a "clear cut case"? 100k with those stats, I mean come on! There are not even decimal places in these stats!

Thanks for the OP, I quit playing at Full Tilt until they respond adequately.

Someone transfer me on Full Tilt. I will gladly drop down stakes to bust some bots.

I HATE BOTS. If you want to watch a good limit bot.. Watch beatme1 that will only play 50-100 or 100-200. I am updating my site as we speak and it is getting an major upgrade about the bots on all 4 big sites.

great work OP

Nice idea, your site, but it needs work obviously.

However, I'm not sure what I feel about such an open system. If the botmakers know exactly how they are being identified, and know which bots have been highlighted, then they can react appropriately to this information. However, they are an underground organisation and we never know anything about them.

A better stategy might be to have a independent and private anti-bot thinktank/workgroup, made up solely of respected and known players, and funded by the 2+2 community.

MAY BE FULL TILT OWNS THE BOTS?


no? i guess that wouldn't make too much sense?


who knows, they better take care of this or else they ARE DONE!

Wow, very detailed post. Thank you.

Keep up the Bot Watch.

this is EPIC

gj OP let's hope this makes the sites take the bot issue more seriously.

Email sent.

FTPDoug & FTPSean,

Address this issue or you are going to lose many 2+2 regulars (HUMANS) to stars and other sites.