NL Bots on Full Tilt - Page 142 - Internet Poker

NFuego20 · 03-19-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sqwerty12

only just come across this thread (obviously last person to ever do so)
Can someone tell me if FTP ever responded to it?

yes

qpw · 03-19-2010, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kurosh

FWIW, there are also limit bots on FTP that I am 100% sure are bots.

So you're 100% sure that limit 'bots are 'bots.

Seems like a good call.

DonkoTheClown · 03-19-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin

Umm, bots actually can compete at the very highest level in heads-up limit hold-em. They don't dominate yet, I'd say, but they can beat the best humans.

NY Times article

That was written a year and a half ago. The Alberta bot won the 2008 challenge: Alberta's write-up.

EETimes Coverage

Bots are definitely to be feared in HU limit poker. They have contributed to the death of WSEX's poker room ... no one wants to start a table for fear of getting their butts kicked during HU play by one of the bots that are/were commonly found there. Excellent HU human players had trouble against them, and if you weren't a HU specialist, forget about it, they would take your money for sure unless you got lucky as heck. Add a couple of other players to the mix and I'll play against them, but no-way HU.

Thanks for the read on this.

Here is a quote from the first article:

"Bots won’t kill poker. They’ll just drive it off line. Old fashioned “humans-only” competitions will still thrive. But this is one Darwinian struggle where the unaided human mind is definitely not the fittest."

Glad I am back to 75% of my play in the brick and mortar. The better I get online, the better the bots and the other players get. Without human interaction it is eventually just going to be about how well you can track a player and how good your math skills are, unless humans start to develop extra sensory skills to a point of being useful in online poker...

NFuego20 · 03-19-2010, 04:23 PM

my god people this thread is three years old and was recently bumped after almost a year of inactivity. If you want to find something to get paranoid about, you will. If you're going to react that way, you shouldn't play.

I spent years playing against the very people this thread was about and we've gone back and forth many times about the subject.

The doomsday scenarios being quoted just make me laugh. The games don't come close to resembling that and the sites have taken plenty of measures to prevent people from botting. They know as well as anybody it's a threat to their business and naturally protect their sites and stop it.

DonkoTheClown · 03-19-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NFuego20

my god people this thread is three years old and was recently bumped after almost a year of inactivity. If you want to find something to get paranoid about, you will. If you're going to react that way, you shouldn't play.

I spent years playing against the very people this thread was about and we've gone back and forth many times about the subject.

The doomsday scenarios being quoted just make me laugh. The games don't come close to resembling that and the sites have taken plenty of measures to prevent people from botting. They know as well as anybody it's a threat to their business and naturally protect their sites and stop it.

I am not worried, I have a day job and don't have to grind it out online to pay the mortgage. We will see how online poker holds up over the next several years with technology expanding like a black hole universe of its own. Hopefully the sites are not in on it and hopefully their security budget is big enough to do something about it or all of you guys playing for a living will become last decades obsolete organic bot model.

NFuego20 · 03-19-2010, 04:47 PM

And we had this discussion three years ago. This massive thread is evidence of it. Technology was expanding just as quickly back then as it is now, and the games seem plenty healthy now. If anything the sites are better equipped to deal with the cheating.

But you think in another three years it'll be completely different because of bots? Come on man, get real. These threats will always exist, but they're always dealt with and will never overrun poker sites. It's hard enough to program something that will beat an intelligent player, and even tougher to program something like that and run it undetected. I sure as hell wouldn't want to load up a bunch of money online, run a bot, and risk getting the funds in the account seized.

DonkoTheClown · 03-19-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NFuego20

And we had this discussion three years ago. This massive thread is evidence of it. Technology was expanding just as quickly back then as it is now, and the games seem plenty healthy now. If anything the sites are better equipped to deal with the cheating.

But you think in another three years it'll be completely different because of bots? Come on man, get real. These threats will always exist, but they're always dealt with and will never overrun poker sites. It's hard enough to program something that will beat an intelligent player, and even tougher to program something like that and run it undetected. I sure as hell wouldn't want to load up a bunch of money online, run a bot, and risk getting the funds in the account seized.

That is a good point. I am also guessing that if you want to buy a good artificial intelligence program, it isnt going to be selling for $99 on Dr. Jerkwaters buy one get one free bot emporium.

tk1133 · 03-19-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown

That is a good point. I am also guessing that if you want to buy a good artificial intelligence program, it isnt going to be selling for $99 on Dr. Jerkwaters buy one get one free bot emporium.

They make their own "home grown" bots now to avoid detection. If your initial investment is 50 dollars, and you eventually get caught with your funds getting seized, you only lost 50 dollars, and i'm sure by then you've cashed out a good chunk.

shlade7 · 05-10-2010, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DonkoTheClown

That is a good point. I am also guessing that if you want to buy a good artificial intelligence program, it isnt going to be selling for $99 on Dr. Jerkwaters buy one get one free bot emporium.

Here's one a little more expensive outside the bot emporium.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Poker-Artificial...ht_1082wt_1165