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My Partypoker account has been blocked accusing me of being a bot My Partypoker account has been blocked accusing me of being a bot

06-26-2016 , 05:49 AM
Could it be that pp noticed that you took allways the same time making decisions etc after investigation? Don't get it why pp wont say what they found. Or is it that pp don't want to let botters change the program? Prolly.
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06-26-2016 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
Could it be that pp noticed that you took allways the same time making decisions etc after investigation? Don't get it why pp wont say what they found. Or is it that pp don't want to let botters change the program? Prolly.
It's a shame that many people make fun here and insinuate that I am a bot.
Hopefully not happen to them and if I can give you a piece of advice is to keep few money in the room because the next can be anyone.

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Originally Posted by lMikro
The bot sites tend to warn about party because of these reasons. It it a worry to legit players also if they play over 100k hands per year there because even stars has suspected a lot of players but given them a chance to prove otherwise.

I cant manage to play .5m hands per year at party even with hud and full time. But if i ever play 100, i better call it a year there.
I'm profasional poker player since 2009, and play more than 500,000 hands game every year (in Stars, 888, Ipoker, PP).
Any of you who have an account at pokerstraqtegy can see my old videos.

https://es.pokerstrategy.com/video/?...&submit=Buscar
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06-26-2016 , 08:10 AM
_Loki_ thanks for the translation of the mails
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06-26-2016 , 08:13 AM
I was not making fun of you. Just wondered that they never give out any details. Sry if I made it sound like you were a bot.
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06-26-2016 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by erick222
It's a shame that many people make fun here and insinuate that I am a bot.
Hopefully not happen to them and if I can give you a piece of advice is to keep few money in the room because the next can be anyone.



I'm profasional poker player since 2009, and play more than 500,000 hands game every year (in Stars, 888, Ipoker, PP).
Any of you who have an account at pokerstraqtegy can see my old videos.

https://es.pokerstrategy.com/video/?...&submit=Buscar
You'd actually be the perfect candidate to run one of those assisting programs
Good rep and track record, nobody would suspect. There's some guys in the journal forum doing exactly that, they were average low-mid stakes grinders and now they destroy mid-high stakes while keeping some sort of online presence to make people think its all them. There's a lot of assisting program right now being sold to sucessfull grinders that want to up their winrates
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06-26-2016 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by KossuKukkula
Could it be that pp noticed that you took allways the same time making decisions etc after investigation? Don't get it why pp wont say what they found. Or is it that pp don't want to let botters change the program? Prolly.
That's correct. Poker sites are very careful not to give hints to the sophisticated bot builders regarding what element of their 'human behaviour' algorithms, or decision trees, or automatic charts or whatevs failed to convince.

Bots don't get tired, but people do - the smart bots try to emulate human behaviour, but it's very hard for a robot to be programmed to screw up convincingly [click wrong table or button, take longer & longer to act as session progresses, time out, bathroom breaks, mis-type "nh" in chat as "mh" sometimes]. There's no doubt still a lot of not-good-enough human emulation in nearly all bots.

I'm not totally convinced re the offer in this thread - trying to disprove bot use by presenting HHs & stats for inspection. It does depend what is meant by "bot" - there being so many different types, & also it depends on the game[s]. But as a general rule you can't disprove the existence of a bot in your own play any more than you can disprove the existence of god. A bot used some of the time for only some simple game situations isn't going to be detectable. For example [not directly relevant to this particular PP thread of course] a bot used ONLY for the early non-ante stages of low buy-in, large field MTTs [a pre-flop auto-folder of poor starting hands for example] will help a multi-tabling 18-hour weekend grinder enormously.

He'll have a lot more time to make smart decisions on critical hands & his ROI should increase a few percentage points, but such a bot [if built reasonably well with some basic randomising elements] isn't going to show up at all by looking at tournament stats or HHs.

Last edited by _Loki_; 06-26-2016 at 11:30 AM.
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07-01-2016 , 02:03 AM
Well, here is another person accused of using AI programs, I am Bud5pencer on the PP nl200-400 tables, been playing for around 7-8 months on PP, used to be a hu hyp reg on euro sites and with the death of them to Spin and Go, decided to switch to cash, been living from poker for the past 5-6 years and have a decent reputation on the Spanish Poker Community, before anyone says anything I only play 100bb+ so not a shortstacker and been away from Spain for all this time, living in Czech Republic and Mexico, so no VPN problems either.

https://gyazo.com/feed746f997c69b4adb32fc298f9648e

here is the email, I just got today explaining the situation, it is funny there is no 29.4 section on their TOS, they didn't even read their own to tell me it is 28.4 instead...

Also, if I used a program which tells me the best way to play a hand how is it that I am currently over the extent of 300k hands totally breakeven on your site and winning from rakeback?

I can provide graphs but wont post my numbers because I already told my nickname and I am sure there are regs here looking at and won't show my strategy, it is hard enough for me to win on the site to give additional info.


Hope PP can fix this BS for real...

Last edited by Vonguch; 07-01-2016 at 02:08 AM. Reason: link broken
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07-01-2016 , 03:50 AM
T&C 29.4 -
We are also committed to detecting and preventing the use of software that is designed to allow participation of artificial intelligence in our platforms, including, without limitation, assessment programs [that] profile opponents, programs for cheating or any other that we believe It lets get some unfair advantage over other players not using such programs or systems ( ' AI Software "). it recognizes that we will take steps to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using different methods (including, without character restrictively, check the list of programs that are currently running on the computer of a player) and agree not to use AI Software and / or any other program of this kind.


they consider that "botting"
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07-01-2016 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by The Mustard
T&C 29.4 -
We are also committed to detecting and preventing the use of software that is designed to allow participation of artificial intelligence in our platforms, including, without limitation, assessment programs [that] profile opponents, programs for cheating or any other that we believe It lets get some unfair advantage over other players not using such programs or systems ( ' AI Software "). it recognizes that we will take steps to detect and prevent the use of such programs and AI Software using different methods (including, without character restrictively, check the list of programs that are currently running on the computer of a player) and agree not to use AI Software and / or any other program of this kind.


they consider that "botting"
well, their webpage automatically transfers me to their spanish TOS and there is no such 29.4 on the spanish TOS

https://gyazo.com/76d2ffbd583913bf9fe27de1d1a1c8da
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07-02-2016 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Vonguch
well, their webpage automatically transfers me to their spanish TOS and there is no such 29.4 on the spanish TOS

https://gyazo.com/76d2ffbd583913bf9fe27de1d1a1c8da
Seems like you have a command of Inglés y espanol. Check both TOS in the future.
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