That's your relatively unenlightened view. It proves something (not everything) if Beatme were to play live in similiar fashion. Of course you would expect the Bot programmer to play like her Bot, but you really need to re-examine this damned either way mentality you have. If she would have said, "I refuse to play Gatorade live or go to Full Tilt, because I have to take care of my sick grandma, or whatever, you would have jumped all over that as evidence of Bothood. Why don't you just admit, I blindly accept whatever Full Tilt says is so (presumably because of their reputation for trustworthiness and integrity and past track record) and move on?

I repeat: don't know whether shes a Bot or Not. Problem is in the procedure and process of allowing third parties to submit supposedly damning evidence without the ability for the account holder to respond in a meaningful fashion in a meaningful forum.

/Thread as far as I'm concerned, in the absence of some actual, you know, evidence either way. I'm intrigued by the supposedly damning evidence given to Gehrig and Dean, but until beatme is given a chance to respond to it either privately or (better) publicly, I remain unsatisfied.

Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this picture? Are these not the ramblings of a mad man?

Just out of curiosity, can you explain to me how copying your nickname prevents you from getting a game? And why would players be trying to prevent you from getting a game? And wouldn't someone copying your nickname mean they were opening multiple accounts on that site? Presumably they already were already playing there and had a nick. This all sounds pretty sleazy.

Well said. I'd go even farther, though. No matter WHERE the evidence comes from or what it is, if they want to take a player's money, evidence must be provided and/or some kind of appeal process must be allowed for. It amazes me more people don't seem put off by the fact that it appears FT will not allow ANY further discussion, period. Glad I don't play there.

Why are only certain people allowed to see this "damning" evidence? Who is providing them this evidence? I am assuming it is not FT.

there was a HORRIBLE regular heads up player on pokerroom that used to love to play redgar3, so many of us made accounts with names like redgar-3, redgar33, etc, to try to trick him into picking our heads up games instead. there were like 20 different skins you could play on. nothing sleazy about it. not against any rules.

speaking of unenlightened views...

If Gatorade challenged her to a live match, I would have no problem with it. But he didn't. She brought that up all by herself.

Any evidence a live match could give would be very very tiny. What it does do is distract from the more significant issues at hand

Well considering that there is at least a suggestion that in Gatorade's mind, "bot = player he can't beat", beatme beating him live would have some value. But I think it's pretty limited.

Thanks for the explanation.

Regarding the bot thing. I would like to see at least some proof of this. There has been none so far in this thread since good players as well as bots sit at empty tables waiting for fish and it has already been pointed out that the bots played different limits than her.

FTP said "we felt confident enough that they were humans playing"


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Yes they did. Sorry I should have posted the link

gehrig & Dean,

I'm hoping you can provide a little more without asking you to compromise anything.

1. Is this evidence something that has not been published in the big MHSH thread?

2. Did this evidence come to you from McGatorade?

3. Have you seen it for yourself or were you merely told about it?

4. Are you certain that this evidence applies to beatme1?

I wrote this over a day ago and there have been no responses.

Let me ask again. Is beatme1 the only accused bot that has been seen to sit at occupied tables or chase other players?

2+2ers,

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If our investigations team is 100% certain that there has been a violation of our Terms of Service, we make an assessment on the nature and method of the violation and determine if funds will be seized or if the account will be closed with funds being cashed out to the player.

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We are working to compensate the victims as quickly as possible. Please try and bear with us as we work through the large amount of data to ensure those who deserve some portion of the seized funds receive their share. We will streamline the process in the future to reduce the delay between a seizure and the subsequent redistribution of those funds to the appropriate victimized players.

Sean

Nice boilerplate, Sean. WHY ARE YOU 100% SURE?