If I were innocent I'd come here and say exactly what you're saying now. But if I were guilty I'd do the same thing, for 70k I'm gonna make them prove it ya know?

Why don't you address some of the allegations from that MHUSH thread? How is it you've played hundreds of thousands of hands of HU on full tilt, and never played a single one against the other regulars mentioned in that thread? Are you surprised that your stats line up so closely with a few other players in the same game?

Do you have some reason for refusing to chat? If someone is accusing you of being a bot in the chat seems like you would at least say "no I'm not".

Do you play long marathon sessions, waiting for someone to come along for hours at a time, near your computer all the time so you can auto post and immediately begin playing? I don't think it would be tough to get some dataminers to show you have played some ridiculously long sessions.

Nobody is saying you can't be a good player and be using a bot too. Hell maybe you programmed the strategy for it. This is a tough spot because Full Tilt can't or won't supply evidence, and you aren't doing such a good job of it yourself.

-DeathDonkey

I never played NL at Full Tilt. I played limit 50/100, 100/200 and 200/400HU

uh he was playing HU mid high limit

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BeatMe1, I think the best way to get 2+2 on your side is to post as much info about your playing habits...how often you played, etc. and post any information you have about past hands (e.g. PokerTracker stats).

If you don't use PokerTracker, what kind of records do you keep for tax purposes? I would suggest publishing your playing records (not how much you won/lost in each session), but the dates and times you played.

The 2+2 FTP HU bot thread did detect some strange behavior that was suggestive of collusion. Frankly, I don't have a good reason to trust either you or FTP on this matter. The only way I can trust you more is if you give us more information and either it can be independently verified (= lots of trust) or at least is not disproven (= more trust).

The more info you provide, the more pressure you put on FTP to provide a public explanation for the decision they made.

For 70k someone from Full Tilt should fly to her location and watch her play for at least 10 hours and track the stats before they confiscate 70k.

That being said, a 200k freezeout with Crazy Mike would be awesome.

Should people who write chess programs be able to play like those programs? Admittedly there are some differences, but this seems like a bad criterion to me.

Wasn't there a huge thread about 4-6 months back about another player who's funds were taken due to "supposed illegal software?"

The funds were taken, the player banned and then after the rep from the site came on here and explained they had "undisbutable proof from their security experts after reviewing the hands etc etc" and it turned out that it was a mistake on the Poker sites fault which they publicly admitted.

I cant remember if it was Full Tilt or Wpex it was one of those two.

There was another case of (Poker Stars I believe) banning a well known posters mother (teddyFBI) becasue she wes a "bot" and it was proven she wasn't. The threads in the archive somewhere

She made a $100 deposit or something like that and 2 days later they banned her and closed her account.

Again the poker site was proven to be wrong.

An then theres the case of Stars banning (I can't remember his name but you can find the video on Utube or in a post in the tourny section on 2 + 2) a player because he was 28 tabling Sit N Go's on 1 monitor. He went as far as making a video of himself doing it and again PokerStars was wrong.

Dont leave that much cash on a site since any Poker Site can confiscate it at any time without having to provide evidence because it will "comprimise their security or some BS like that"

Good Luck

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Why anyone plays high-stakes HU LHE is beyond me, since it's the one permutation of poker that's been shown to have been essentially mastered by bots.


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Where was this shown/

50/100+ limit

BeatMe1:

You're leaving something out in the email interchange. What is it?

I have not left anything out.

Are you saying that WITHOUT ANY WARNING, FTP just sent you the lower-most email alerting you that they had closed your account?

Yes - And as you can see from the emails I sent to Full Tilt I tried hard to talk to the poker manager but they were pretty clear that that was not an option.

DId you not have any warning of an investigation before that?

No

How do you know Gatorade had anything to do with this?

See my prior posts.


Your replies to FTP's emails are incredibly brazen...immediately you go on the offensive without even trying to ascertain just WTF actually happened...how come?

Because their email to me was insane and it pissed me off. As you can see my tone sobered when I figured out that this was not a low level error.

***As i have 1st-hand experience with a "false positive" bot investigation with my mother and Stars, I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt before you're proven guilty, but there are more questions than answers so far...hopefully the story gets clearer...

Why anyone plays high-stakes HU LHE is beyond me, since it's the one permutation of poker that's been shown to have been essentially mastered by bots.

I have played alot of hands and my results are good. As long as I keep winning I'll keep playing.

***EDIT: BeatMe1, can u summarize what Gatorade's "evidence" against you is, other than the fact that you beat him?

No - but I can tell you that he accused of being a bot on Pokerroom and they seemed to understand that he was mearly trying to clear the field.

Nobody can play exactly like a bot that they created but they can certainly play close enough IN A LIVE game that observers would not know the difference. Al least not unless they played for 10's of thousands of hands and recorded all the relevant stats and compared it to the bot's PT stats , which would be next to impossible.

What kind of tax records did you keep? Did you log the date and time of every session you played? Did you record this information electronically or by hand? Can you reproduce the dates and times of your sessions that would match FTPs records? If not, is that because you evaded your taxes or because you believed such records were not necessary?

in the bot thread, beatme1 and bono1945 both had different stats than all the other players accused. i had never railed or played them so i dunno if they had the bot timing that BobaLoca and the rest had.

beatme1 had literally 0 hands played against the 8 or so bots that constantly played in his games. he did have plenty of hands against The Bryce, who is the biggest winner in his games and a human, as well as other ppl that i know are very good humans

Have you taken their advice and contacted the
http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

gehrig, what do you think the "overwhelming evidence" is that FT has, in your opinion?

Seems to me that inhuman duration of play, no breaks, etc. would be key. Anyone outside of FT have that kind of data on beatme1?