I have no opinion on the OP as I have no evidence either way, but I have to say:

It's an interesting statement on the state of the world to see how easily the current generation has embraced "guilty until proven innocent".

if a thread on 2+2 can reverse a stars(a much more respected site) bot decision, it should not even be a question that fulltilt could be swayed into making a +$70k decision that makes people at 2+2 happy

The fact is that nobody on 2+2 has all the facts of this case and, therefore, has no basis for passing judgement one way or the other. People can argue but it doesn't matter when they don't know the full story. It seems everyone has a hard time accepting this.

Further, the thread didn't reverse Stars' decision. Compelling evidence to the contrary reversed their decision. The thread just happened to be a catalyst.

Saying Fult Tilt would change this sort of decision just to make a bunch of ignorant bystanders happy is just silly.

@jujujaja34

Teddy was (and still is) a highly respected 2p2er. He had a lot of good will here and we used that as a basis of our support.

And yes, I do think 2p2 being involved helped his (or his mom's) case with Stars. I am not sure it would do the same for FT though.

Unless FTP was smart enough to add up the yearly rake derived from this herd of devoted deviants that range from 12 table grinders to the highest level online HU players and realize that keeping the faith of such a community is very, very + EV to their bottom line.

Surely the main issue here is the guilty until proved innocent mentality. Surely if FT have compelling evidence then just saying so is not enough, they have to disclose it (I understand that they dont want to disclose bot detection methods, but they need to find some way to prove what they are saying).

I have no idea (and dont really care to be honest) if the OP used a bot or not, but the way FT handles this makes me pretty sure i will never play on their site

BeatMe1,

All stats that I referenced are in this thread: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...0&fpart=all

I would be interested in seeing stats from a few established winning players in these games that have not been accused, I wonder if Gehrig can accomodate.

Gehrig can you post the same stats (names blocked out) for you, Bryce, and I don't know who else plays these games regularly for comparison?

The stats he posted are just randomly datamined when he happened to have tables open, so the chance that he missed hands you played against the other accused bots is the same as the chance he missed hands you played against other regulars like Bryce. The result is you did have hands played against Bryce and 0 hands played against the other 7 players mentioned over a random sampling. I am not a statistician but I find that to be meaningful.

Honestly, I don't really care to be piling on evidence one way or another, I don't play those games these days but this is clearly an issue in the current online limit holdem landscape. I only joined in these threads in the first place because Crazy Mike didn't used to be known on the 2+2 forums and people here tend to give new posters a tough time. I know him in real life and as a long time poster here felt that I would let everyone know he is a normal fairly not-crazy guy. That said I don't agree with some of his online behavior but you never get the whole picture online at the tables or these forums, so I understand why people have such varying opinions on the scope of his *******ishness.

-DeathDonkey

Hey Mike. I am a bot bro.

"My CPU is a neural net processor; a learning computer. But Skynet pre-sets the switch to read-only when we're sent out alone."

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/3...139031e6_o.jpg

^ Me before my daily FTP session.

I don't know if you're a bot or not, but you're definitely more fun to have around than Mr. G.

This is a very important post. OP's explanation seems to provide a satisfactory explanation for not having any hands versus the other alleged bots.

1. She normally sits down at empty tables because table starters tend to be better players. This automatically avoids any bot only programmed to sit at an empty table.

2. She does chase a few favorite fish but the other bots aren't fish and would never attract her.

3. She avoids a few players she finds difficult. This would tend to further ensure bot avoidance.

My view is that there is no public evidence supporting the bot allegation versus OP. We are forced to rely on our faith in FTP and the word of McGatorade.

On the topic of Mr. Gatorade, does no one else have a problem with his constant threats to sites that he will go to the media? I'm not sure exactly who he intends to talk to and what he would say, but this sounds like a VERY bad idea that would be harmful to ALL online poker players, IMO.

Classic

i dont really want to for selfish reasons

i will say that everyone in that thread who's PT stats got posted made the same significant preflop error. the kind of thing that u should be able to fix by spending two minutes looking through pokertracker.

also lol @ beatme1 using multitabling as evidence that he's not a botter. you'd have to be pretty familiar with how all the bots work to bring that up in ur defense out of nowhere.