***MintedPoker / Minted Poker Official Support & Promotions Thread***

[Sebastian37]

Originally Posted by Nofx Fan

Ok, the bad news is the "table refreshing" glitch/bug just happened to me, one that I thought was gone because it hasn't happened in a long time to me. The good news is I was able to isolate it this time. There's no record of the hand, but I have the one before and one after and it shows the discrepancy because the blinds are in the wrong position/not where they should be.

For anyone unaware, this bug happens at the end of a hand and you'll see the message "table refreshing" in the chat box. I won the hand and was awarded no money, and suddenly a new hand starts and it's as if the hand never happened. There's nothing in the replayer and I'm checking, but I don't think there is a hand history written to disk.

I'm working with support at the moment but have screen shots that will show this and if anything I'm just happy I was able to get solid proof on this one because the one's from the past I did not. Will post that asap.

EDIT: I really hope tech will be able to see this problem now. I was able to explain it really well and show the problem. This has been the hard part because there is never any record of the hand, but because this one completely changed the positions of the button, it was helpful to see that indeed something happened between two consecutive hands. I've asked support to forward the entire convo and again hopefully tech can reproduce it from there. IMO this might be related to someone joining a table at a very specific time (in between the blinds perhaps)

It's funny that you said that. The client crashed during an all in pot where I had top set. When I logged back on, my stack size seemed to be the same as before the hand started, and not a big stack or default 100BB's auto rebuy but like the pot was chopped. I emailed support regarding the hand and they had no record of it in there system.

[Nofx Fan]

Ok so posting two hands. The hand that I got the "table refreshing" message and that disappeared would be in between hand1 and hand2. In the glitch hand I (nosuckoutplz) was in the BB and Besik10 was in the SB. I won the pot with a bet on the turn, IIRC.

Hand1: Take note of the position of the button and blinds, the person joining, but not sat yet, and the number (8 of 28) in the replayer at the bottom right.



Hand2: I'm now one from the BB (UTG) and somehow the joiner (lancy) was able to be dealt into the hand and posted the SB. This should not happen and means Besiik10 had the BB twice in a row. Also note the hand # at bottom right (9 of 28)



Here's the hands copied in succession straight from my HH folder

Everleaf Gaming Game #348036521
***** Hand history for game #348036521 *****
Blinds €0.50/€1 PL Omaha - 2012/01/19 - 01:42:39
Table Vilnius 1
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players: 5
Seat 2: besik10 ( € 45.50 EURO )
Seat 3: nosuckoutplz ( € 45 EURO )
Seat 4: kingreturn66 ( € 222.86 EURO )
Seat 5: pisa45 ( € 71 EURO )
Seat 6: thehark11 ( € 175.37 EURO )
thehark11: posts small blind [€ 0.50 EURO]
besik10: posts big blind [€ 1 EURO]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nosuckoutplz [ Kd, Jd, 3d, 7c ]
nosuckoutplz folds
kingreturn66 folds
pisa45 raises [€ 3 EURO]
thehark11 folds
besik10 calls [€ 2 EURO]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Qd, 4s ]
besik10 checks
pisa45: bets [€ 3.90 EURO]
besik10 folds
pisa45 does not show cards
pisa45 wins € 6.18 EURO from main pot



Everleaf Gaming Game #348036885
***** Hand history for game #348036885 *****
Blinds €0.50/€1 PL Omaha - 2012/01/19 - 01:44:29
Table Vilnius 1
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players: 6
Seat 1: Lancy ( € 50 EURO )
Seat 2: besik10 ( € 42.50 EURO )
Seat 3: nosuckoutplz ( € 45 EURO )
Seat 4: kingreturn66 ( € 222.86 EURO )
Seat 5: pisa45 ( € 74.18 EURO )
Seat 6: thehark11 ( € 174.87 EURO )
Lancy: posts small blind [€ 0.50 EURO]
besik10: posts big blind [€ 1 EURO]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nosuckoutplz [ 4s, Ac, Kh, 2d ]
nosuckoutplz: um
nosuckoutplz: wtf?
nosuckoutplz has used their timebank.
nosuckoutplz: anyone know what just happened?
nosuckoutplz folds
kingreturn66 calls [€ 1 EURO]
pisa45 raises [€ 4.50 EURO]
thehark11 folds
Lancy calls [€ 4 EURO]
besik10 raises [€ 18 EURO]
kingreturn66 folds
pisa45 calls [€ 14.50 EURO]
Lancy calls [€ 14.50 EURO]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, Qc, 6h ]
Lancy: bets [€ 31 EURO]
besik10 calls [€ 23.50 EURO]
pisa45 calls [€ 31 EURO]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4d ]
Lancy shows [ 3d, 7c, 8s, 5h ] a straight, eight high
besik10 shows [ 9s, Ts, 6c, 7h ] two pairs, queens and sixes
pisa45 shows [ 6d, 3h, 5d, 4c ] two pairs, queens and sixes
Lancy wins € 124.02 EURO from main pot with a straight, eight high [ 8s, 7c, 6h, 5c, 4d ]
Lancy wins € 14.48 EURO from side pot with a straight, eight high [ 8s, 7c, 6h, 5c, 4d ]

So a couple problems here: 1. The biggest one being there was a hand played to completion that did not count, either financially nor any record HH wise, it's just completely gone and like it never happened. This has and can happen in a big pot as well. 2. Lancy (the joiner) should not be able to be dealt in right away and take the small blind. He wouldn't even be able to "buy the blinds" because Besik10 would have to post the BB twice. Besik wound up having to take the blinds twice anyway so obviously that was wrong. I've made this post so people can understand the problem, including tech. I'm forwarding the link to the visual post to operations.

As a player there's nothing you can do that I have noticed to avoid this happening. I'm thinking the glitch may have something to do with the joining player, but I DO KNOW for sure a "table refreshing" message comes up and along with a pause of about 20 seconds, it then plays a new hand so it may have to do with w/e table refreshing is/means.

[J BERTS]

Originally Posted by Sebastian37

Any word on people who are waiting for WU transfers? Want to cash out some dough soon but would rather wait if it is going to take 5+ weeks.

Still waiting from 12/26

[deadbeat]

Quote:
Originally Posted by GSP1976
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That's why you (Minted) ASKED a botting community to join? Yes that's true people.

The dirty tricks these sites pull to try pay YOUR money back to you when they clearly have spent it or blown it on a crap deal..........

And you can surely also back that up with clear evidence as well, right? Since you also seem to know a lot about how Minted operates, can you enlighten us fools?*

*This post may contain sarcasm.

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[Nofx Fan]

Originally Posted by butthurtbotusers

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Please please please...

[Sebastian37]

Originally Posted by J BERTS

Still waiting from 12/26

Ugghh. Thanks keep us posted.

[Sebastian37]

Neil,

I know this has been brought up at nauseum but it deserves another round. Banning players who generate the most rake for the sight just because they are winning is ridiculous. I generate over $400/day in rake on average and yet now I can't play. So you are telling me it is more important to keep recreational players "happy" who generate probably less than $50/day in rake as opposed to your loyal high volume customers. This makes no sense to me and imo is just bad business as you are going to lose a sh_t ton for the days I and others are locked out. Then you are going to lose allot more when we all leave which your site is forcing us to do.

750 euros over a 7 day period is nothing especially if you are playing at any reasonable stakes. That is less than 2 bi's at 400NL, about 3.5 at 200NL and 7.5 at 100NL. So basically you guys are saying you only want micro stakes and losing players on your site. If this policy doesn't change soon, I will be forced to take my business elsewhere. Thanks.

[mcleod014]

Just to update on the scammer, I got my money back today after Minted finished its investigation. It was pretty clear that the player in question was scamming and he didn't provide any evidence showing that I owed him money on a "prop bet" so it was shipped back to me.

thanks neil and minted support for helping me get my money back!

[sirsmokespiff]

Originally Posted by mcleod014

Just to update on the scammer, I got my money back today after Minted finished its investigation. It was pretty clear that the player in question was scamming and he didn't provide any evidence showing that I owed him money on a "prop bet" so it was shipped back to me.

thanks neil and minted support for helping me get my money back!

Yeah +1. I was also involved in the scam and the situation was definitely handled well by Minted and especially Neil, who was very timely and helpful in all his communication with me.

[randall69]

Originally Posted by Sebastian37

I know this has been brought up at nauseum but it deserves another round. Banning players who generate the most rake for the sight just because they are winning is ridiculous.

had 3 happy days, now waiting another week..
btw it makes rake races pointless, i was in the top in both after 8 days then i had to stand back for the rest. not to mention the occasional bonus
but to be fair its pretty clear that minted has no word in these decisions

and whats up with cashouts? been waiting since 1/8(MB)

[khanrava]

Originally Posted by Sebastian37

Neil,

I know this has been brought up at nauseum but it deserves another round. Banning players who generate the most rake for the sight just because they are winning is ridiculous. I generate over $400/day in rake on average and yet now I can't play. So you are telling me it is more important to keep recreational players "happy" who generate probably less than $50/day in rake as opposed to your loyal high volume customers. This makes no sense to me and imo is just bad business as you are going to lose a sh_t ton for the days I and others are locked out. Then you are going to lose allot more when we all leave which your site is forcing us to do.

750 euros over a 7 day period is nothing especially if you are playing at any reasonable stakes. That is less than 2 bi's at 400NL, about 3.5 at 200NL and 7.5 at 100NL. So basically you guys are saying you only want micro stakes and losing players on your site. If this policy doesn't change soon, I will be forced to take my business elsewhere. Thanks.

I raked over 2k euros in the last week that I was able to play.
I'm extremely close to moving my play entirely to other sites...

Originally Posted by randall69

but to be fair its pretty clear that minted has no word in these decisions

I don't understand this tbh.

[Sebastian37]

Originally Posted by mcleod014

Just to update on the scammer, I got my money back today after Minted finished its investigation. It was pretty clear that the player in question was scamming and he didn't provide any evidence showing that I owed him money on a "prop bet" so it was shipped back to me.

thanks neil and minted support for helping me get my money back!

That is pretty cool and I give Neil and minted props for this.

[Sebastian37]

Originally Posted by khanrava

I raked over 2k euros in the last week that I was able to play.
I'm extremely close to moving my play entirely to other sites...





I don't understand this tbh.

+1

[waq]

Originally Posted by Nofx Fan

Ok so posting two hands. The hand that I got the "table refreshing" message and that disappeared would be in between hand1 and hand2.

As a player there's nothing you can do that I have noticed to avoid this happening. I'm thinking the glitch may have something to do with the joining player, but I DO KNOW for sure a "table refreshing" message comes up and along with a pause of about 20 seconds, it then plays a new hand so it may have to do with w/e table refreshing is/means.

Yes table refreshing has been happening again for a few weeks. There does not seem to be any rhyme or reason why it happens. It doesn't seem to be connected to when a new player joins the table but when they do they will be dealt into the hand in whatever position they are. I joined once during "refreshing" and was dealt in as the button without posting blinds.

As to what "table refreshing" is......it seems to be connected to a new game starting. I am not sure but I seem to remember situations like the one I describe below happening on a consistent basis. I have not been in many of these situations myself and was not paying much attention to the exact details.

Let's say the table is 3 handed and 2 players sitout. Another player joins, one player sits back in and a new hand starts. Not only does a new hand start but a new game starts with the blind position not being determined by the last hand played. When the new game starts I believe I have seen the "table refreshing".

I do not usually start tables. For those that do, does "table refreshing" occur when the game starts?

Bottom line is that there might been something causing the client to perceive the next hand as a new game.