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01-11-2014 , 08:07 PM
Seems like traffic is up a bit the last few days. Anyone notice that on the tourney side?
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01-11-2014 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
Interesting article from 2010 written by Calvin Ayre. It's mostly about Jen Larson and Lock, but at the bottom he talks about Merge management killing their network because they don't know what they are doing. He was spot on..

http://calvinayre.com/2010/12/04/pok...er-case-study/
wow, i was so focused on Jen Larson i missed that....

it's pretty much exactly what he said.
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01-11-2014 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dugthefish
Seems like traffic is up a bit the last few days. Anyone notice that on the tourney side?
It comes and goes. Never enough to make much of a difference and never sustained. I wish they'd just go back to normal late reg and no reentries so people would play here again
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01-12-2014 , 01:19 AM
cashing out roll ASAP. a ****ing sap
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01-12-2014 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
cashing out roll ASAP. a ****ing sap
Hopefully ASAP doesn't= June for you too.
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01-12-2014 , 01:25 AM
why?
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01-12-2014 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by p2 dog, p2
cashing out roll ASAP. a ****ing sap
"recognize that ****! better ****ing recognize that ****ing name right now! ASAP! A ****ing SAP! you dont put no ****ing fear in my heart!"
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01-12-2014 , 03:45 AM
The $10k added Dollar Frenzy on Jan. 26th has me confused.

3,000 Starting Chips
10 Minute Levels
Re-Entry - Yes
Late Registration - 4h 10m????????

Letting people late register/re-enter at 7,500/15,000 with 3,000 starting chips? Well that will be interesting.
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01-12-2014 , 03:53 AM
whats funny is somebody will burn thru $10 to $20 bux regging at 7.5k-15k blinds
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01-12-2014 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Indefatigable.
whats funny is somebody will burn thru $10 to $20 bux regging at 7.5k-15k blinds
What's even funnier is people still play MTTs on this joke of a site. They need to just blow up the schedule, get rid of the reentry and ridic late reg, and let the MTT traffic organically build back up. They have the best software available, not like it would take long. Who am I kidding though...
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01-12-2014 , 06:21 AM
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01-12-2014 , 01:46 PM
I don't mind the re entry and late reg for some of the tourneys, but when it comes to the limit MTTs, it's such a joke. Makes it a complete crap shoot for anyone to even make the money. You really see this in the limit badugi games.
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01-12-2014 , 03:39 PM
"every SnG leaderboard was reset for the 2nd week except for the $1 Regualr/Turbo."

The above was sent to me via PM. I informed them of this and I was just told it was fixed. I'd appreciate it if someone in contention for this particular LB could confirm it's accuracy...


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01-12-2014 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Old_Timer
I don't mind the re entry and late reg for some of the tourneys, but when it comes to the limit MTTs, it's such a joke. Makes it a complete crap shoot for anyone to even make the money. You really see this in the limit badugi games.
I wouldn't mind it for *some of the MTTs either, but it's terrible for all of them. At least put a cap on reentries.
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01-13-2014 , 03:41 AM
why exactly is late reg and reentry such a huge concern? I think the schedule change up and some other poor decisions led to the exodus not these features

and plo can you explain your pov on it? as a winning player I dont mind the re-entry/late reg, reentry=more for edge to compound and larger pools? late reg=micro stacks to eat when your sitting tight on 40k+chips? dont see the huge downside
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01-13-2014 , 03:45 AM
and as for leave this "joke" site go where? bovada or wpn are only ones ahead of merge in traffic...bovadas anonymous names isnt a joke? wpns ****e software and untracked(aka not fully accountable) games aren't a joke?(through a pm from the poker bible i was informed p5's tracks wpn cashes...but not clear if it leaves an roi or profit to net it for full accountability(dont think it does)
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01-13-2014 , 03:50 AM
merge has the best software, always pays(wu and mg within a day or two if your on ph) and is the only spot with fully tracked games, bovada doesnt look like they will ever lift anon names and therefor will never have tracking and seems shady to me, wpn would have to improve software and add tracking support for me to consider it...pstars and tilt in the gold days had solid software, always paid promptly, had the traffic and had accountable games...why give up these features unless there really isnt another option
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01-13-2014 , 05:08 AM
hi merge
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01-13-2014 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by vortex91
merge has the best software, always pays(wu and mg within a day or two if your on ph) and is the only spot with fully tracked games, bovada doesnt look like they will ever lift anon names and therefor will never have tracking and seems shady to me, wpn would have to improve software and add tracking support for me to consider it...pstars and tilt in the gold days had solid software, always paid promptly, had the traffic and had accountable games...why give up these features unless there really isnt another option
Do you not care about paying the highest rake of any of the sites you mentioned? Is $5 bucks from a pot not to much rake for you? Enjoy your software, you are paying for the right to use it I guess. Personally, rake is a huge part of the equation when it comes to determining a site to play on. Now that the VIP was raped, there can be no justification for paying the high high rake of Merge. Move on, Merge is dead. Talk to you in March.
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01-13-2014 , 07:42 AM
this is the same old song, players making excuses, oh its not my fault i can't win its the late entry..screw merge its going down soon!! when? i don't know but soon! the sky is still not falling, listen to kahn. he knows whats up and should be trusted way more than the rest of the randoms in this thread. if its a money grab by merge to extend late reg, no one is holding a gun to your head and making you re buy with 7 bb at the end. don't do it if you don't want to, easy game
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01-13-2014 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by whatupDG
. if its a money grab by merge to extend late reg, no one is holding a gun to your head and making you re buy with 7 bb at the end. don't do it if you don't want to, easy game
This basically sums up things nicely. We have a choice on if we want to re enter or if we want to play on a site at all.

I do think re entry is bad in general for the long term healthy of the games and profitability of the site. I will explain this in the next post (which will be a revised post from a couple months ago). However, I would like to make the disclaimer that I have made a choice to play on the sites that have re entry even though I know its a bad thing.
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01-13-2014 , 08:48 AM
This is why I think re entry is kind of a money grab.

There is only so much dead money in the prize pool. The percentage of competent players that re-enter vs bad players that re-enter is heavily weighted towards good players.

Most the re-entry will occur during the period in which a competent player will still have an edge over the field. When the rare person enters for just a few big blinds they are often close enough to the money where they might have to only win a couple all ins to cash so they are probably not setting that much EV on fire (some players might still have a decent EV entering in very late as well depending on the field)

Having people enter in short also hurts the experienced player because shorter stacks cap the range that a good player can open with. This can hurt the better players edge and causes good players to rake more before they take money off the site.

So basically we are just basically paying more rake to fight over the same money. Most players are choosing to re enter (myself included) because there are only so many tourneys that run in a day. Re entering for a smaller excepted value (as the player re entering is under the chip average and has less wiggle room)

In addition to that the recreational player will rarely get a big score( which they will eventually give back so it doesn't matter). If a recreational player occasionally goes on a deep run or gets a win they will keep playing on this site. If they never do good they simple play on a different site. The one site that pays people out quickly and doesn't have re-entry is the most popular site in the US.

This is bad for both regs and recreational players. Winning regs make less money (do to high rake and new players choosing other sites) Recreational players, who are playing because they enjoy the game will not have fun because the fields will be tough in the end and they will not get the occasional win or high finish.



****Disclaimer****

Having some tourneys having some re entry is understandable. A tourney like the 100k having a two or three hour re entry period would make sense because having a few tourneys with a big GTD attracts players.

Having re entry in some live tourneys is not a horrible thing because its hard to attract people if they tourney doesn't have a big first prize. Also its hard to justify travel if you only get a shot at one tourneys. Where as I may make a few trips to circuit events since I can play in a few events and maybe re enter in one of them. Where I might not make a drive/fly and get a hotel if I only get one shot at it.
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01-13-2014 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by clutch352
If a recreational player occasionally goes on a deep run or gets a win they will keep playing on this site. If they never do good they simple play on a different site. The one site that pays people out quickly and doesn't have re-entry is the most popular site in the US.

This is bad for both regs and recreational players. Winning regs make less money (do to high rake and new players choosing other sites) Recreational players, who are playing because they enjoy the game will not have fun because the fields will be tough in the end and they will not get the occasional win or high finish.
Completely agree with everything this guy posted. If the current set up on Merge isn't so bad why does Bovada have 5x the traffic across all game formats? LDO
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01-13-2014 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bongfellow
why does Bovada have 5x the traffic across all game formats?

Because Bodog/Bovada/Bodog88 market far better than other US facing networks.


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01-13-2014 , 12:25 PM
There was another disconnection issue at about 2 am. It didn't affect me but 2 of the 5 people at the ft went disco. Idk if swipernoswiping is a 2P2er but I doubt he was happy.
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