Just an update for this thread and the slim off chance that Ipoker security guy is still reading.

A site called http://*********.com/ appeared in a few Full Tilt threads today bacause of their mass banning of bot accounts.

Their bot is compatible with only one Ipoker skin, BetnGo. The same site that has the infamous rake race with all the bots mentioned in this thread. Every other thread on their forum is about BetnGo. What a coincidence.

If anyone from Ipoker or William Hill, the billion pound a year turnover company in charge of Ipoker, is reading this thread. Why are you letting this wart of a site ruin your reputation. There's just no need for it. Start employing staff with more than half a clue and these threads wouldn't be here. Read that forum and see what is happening on your network.

I thought you lot were a network and all the same site. How the hell is this bot only compatible with BetnGo? Get your arses in gear.

What I'd like to know is why are all the top players losers? These are super turbo games, is it simply the case that they are in fact MORE reg infested than the FTP ST's? As there are plenty of ST winners at even the highest stakes on FTP.

The rake for all STTs (except HU) on iPoker is a flat 10%. This makes certain game types unbeatable before rakeback. (Consider how the rake for a turbo DON for example is only 4% on Stars - that's a big difference).

Ah yes I see, there is a big difference in rake between the FTP ST's and Ipoker's. Thanks

Big thanks for this thread, most helpful. Eyes wide open.

cleolady and xkingfisher are always at the same table together (the 4man dons) and never play seperatly, and according to sharkscope have nearly the same amount of games as each other, played a few games with them and there play is a little off also. Can someone with a sharkscope subsrciption do a little check on them please to see if indeed they always play together, my suspision is that they are colluders.

Cleolady has played 406 games and has a 7% ROI for a $149 profit

Kingfisher has played 399 games for a 2% ROI and $11 profit. He was down about $150 after 200ish of these DoNs.

They played 311 together

Kingfishers ROI when playing together is 1%, 6% when not playing together

cleolady's ROI is 19% when playing together and -33% when not playing together (though that is only 88 games).


Not sure this proves much, especially if those games do not have a ton of different players that join them.

Thanks Monteroy
311 together is alot, thats 77% of the games they have played together.
The $5 4 man dons fill very quickly, under a minute in most cases, and i can be playing 4games before the first one has finished (1min blinds). I just find it hard to think that 77% of games together could be a fluke.
Looking back on the hand histories i have with them, there is some suspicious plays, mostly the one with the biggest stack passing chips to the shorty, but never the other way round.

Anyway ive reported my suspicions to paddypower and they say they will do an investication.

--- Original Message ---
From: xxxxxxxxxx <xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Received: 01/01/11 11:04:36 o'clock GMT
To: <poker@paddypower.com>
Subject: RE: collusion

Ok, so i logon to paddypoker this morning hoping to play some fair and honost poker and guess what? cleolady and xkingfisher are playing at the same tables again, not on seperate game (there are plenty) but on the SAME tables again, this makes me mad.

Cleolady has played 406 games
xKingfisher has played 399 games They played 311 together, thats 77%,
thats close to impossible to be a coinincendence.

Check there hand histories, you will find this obvious coluding sign: you will see the largest stack making plays that gives the shorter of the two of these cheaters some chips, like I have from my hand histories I have with them. They soft play each other in an attempt to get them both througth to the prizes etc.

this needs to be sorted cause i cant play on a network that dosnt sort this crap out, I'm pritty mad right now cause again they are still playing when i want a fair game.







Hi xxxxxxxxx,




iPoker can confirm that after investigating this case they have found collusion.



We will be in contact with you shortly regarding compensation.



I will now query iPoker as to why these players are still able to play together.
If you have any further queries please click here to avail of our Live Help

Kind Regards,
xxxxxx xxxxxxx

Paddy Power Poker Customer Service



very good customer support imo

I play super turbos $10 there is there any players suspected bots playing these now.

I don't play them so can't answer but you can use sharkscope to do some research if you see something suspicious at the tables. If sharkscope confirms your suspicions repot it to support.