Let's look at this again:

SECURITY CHECKS, REVIEWS AND RELEASES: INTERTOPS reserves the right to verify Your identity and the fidelity of the information You have supplied by making various security and ID checks. If You fail or refuse on request to comply and sign a security request from INTERTOPS, INTERTOPS reserves the right to void Your account.

There are trying to verify your identity and are asking you to supply ID.

Plus it also says:

Also, the general terms of INTERTOPS available at http://www.intertops.eu/cms/en/rules...ook.htm?lan=en shall apply to any use of the Services provided by INTERTOPS.

And if you follow the link:

1.1.6 Intertops reserves the right to close the account of any customer at its discretion, especially if no valid identification documents can be provided. In the event that any customer, after having his/her account closed for any reason whatsoever, opens another account under his/her own name or under the name of an alias or through the co-operation of one or more persons, Intertops shall reserve the right not only to close said account but also to retain any account balance therein without notice.

What more do you want?

Quick and easy age verification?

You could clearly see the age, expiration..... No photo or #

otatop please answer me this. If I went through all the trouble to forge the PP info. Wouldn't I be able to add the photo and #? And I wouldn't care to send it in because it would be forged?

I have done nothing wrong. I do know it is NOT necessary to give the photo, # to get a check and close the account. If this was in the TOS I would have never signed up!!!!Call me what you will. But if they are willing to do this to me over nothing, in everyones opinion. What else will they do?

Maybe I'm the FIRST IN to expose the shenanigans?

Although you would have me believe that all poker sites should be trusted??Huh Cant think of any that have stolen money from people...????

Must be paranoid? Or just plain dumb? hmm

I started reading this thread thinking this was a new issue smh.

OP, it's been months and you still havnt come to terms with your situation? Anytime a business asks you to verify your ID, they expect to see a photo ID and proof of residence. Sending an ID with your photo blacked out is worthless.

Are you underaged or is this a joke?

So it's in no way a form of ID. Depends on the forgery, ldo. It's weird that you know that, yet the company whose rules you're playing by say it's not the case. ...it is in the TOS. What are they doing to you? You're making yourself the victim here.

The first time I played poker in a casino, I signed up and bought chips, sat down, and played for a couple hours. When I went to cash the chips out, they asked to see my ID. If I had decided to throw a hissy fit and not show it, or if I had covered the picture and the ID numbers, do you think the nice lady at the cage would have said "Fair enough!", or do you think they'd have told me to knock it off? If I had decided to stand my ground, could I go around saying "Harvey's Lake Tahoe stole my money! They refuse to return it to me!"? Yep, congratulations. No one on 2+2 has ever, EVER had to send in ID to receive money from a site before. Hey, remember an hour ago when you said
There you go again.

I thought that might be the case too, but that would mean he signed up to 2+2 when he was 15 or younger, which seems like an awful long time to play poker underage.

I am not underage and this is no joke to me.

This is why I will except WU,MG. I will verify in person. I also offered to send a notarized letter stating who I am. I do not want a company, that I am not going to do business with, have my personal info for no reason what so ever just to issue me a check!!

Whats so crazy about this? It would be another thing if I wanted to play there.

I am not underage. The date I signed up with matched my PP age. Why because Its my I d and I am not underage.

If you want to test this just ask me some random knowledge stuff about the 80's.lol

Movin on up, to the east side. We finally got a piece of the pie i i i i..........

If you play on their tables, you are doing business with them. You pay rake or tournament fees to the room for the right to play on the site. They in turn have the right to ask you to verify your ID. Same thing will happen if more than one person plays in the same household.

I am not playing there and have not since I posted here months ago. I played for a week, didn't like it, asked to cashout.... Problems

I don't know if I could play there anymore. As one of the mods suggested the trojan attack was most likely them kicking me off. I did not test this to find out. As I erased my HDD after the attack.

Ok the week you played you did business with them. You paid for a service, the site provided the service. All they are asking is for you to prove who you are. All I can say is scan your docs and get it over with. GL

I never agreed to what they are doing with my property. If they would have disclosed this at sign up. I would have never signed up.

As with any business, they have TOS. Most of us (including myself), skim through it. Poker sites reserve the right for ID verification of its costumers.

I didn't say anything about you committing fraud. The only time I mentioned fraud was in responding to Kittens' post about how the site has to send back deposits no matter what.

That's the same thing. They haven't stolen anything; they are requesting ID to cash out, and you refuse to give them any. A passport without a number or a picture is hardly ID.

Poker sites want it to be easy for players to deposit money. If you like to make money at poker, you want it to be easy for fish to deposit money. And it would be a much larger cost to them. Why go through this process for 100% of customers when they can do it for the 10% or 1% or whatever the number is that sets off flags in their system?

When I responded to your post, I wasn't talking about OP's case specifically. I was talking about your rather silly point that "If they accept money from someone they should also pay money back to that person. End of story AFAIC. Anything else is theft". I asked you what happens if the deposit is fraudulent.

I bet the poker sites eat a lot of deposits as it is. But what you're suggesting would mean either a lot more losses for the poker sites - which you can bet means higher rake or less promos for the players - or onerous requirements during the deposit. How conducive to business do you think it would be if they stopped accepting CC deposits, for example, or made you wait 90+ days before letting you cash out so they could be sure the card wasn't reported stolen and/or the charge disputed?

To a certain extent, I understand where OP is coming from; he's concerned about the security of his information. But when you deposit your money on a poker site, you usually need to be willing to place a little trust in them that they will keep your information private. The way OP describes it, if everything is accurate, it sounds like a pretty straightforward case that shouldn't be too difficult to straighten out. But you have to remember that poker sites have certain security procedures in place for a reason, and right or wrong, they probably put people into certain wide-sweeping categories, as they're not going to have the resources to look at every single security issue in great detail. Just because OP deposited with cash doesn't mean all is well. What if it was counterfeit? What if he's laundering money from a drug business? Of course I'm not suggesting either of these things are the case, but you have to look at the bigger picture. And they may not have some magical amount of money where they decide that any deposit over $500 could be money laundering, but everything under $500 isn't, unless they make more than 1 deposit a week, or use different locations to disguise their deposits, etc., etc. Something about OP's situation likely triggered a security flag, and now this is the procedure they make everyone with that flag go through.

OP, I'm curious if you've tried civilly finding a resolution to this. No offense intended (as we all have weaknesses - goodness knows I do), but I have a hard time seeing you being capable of doing this. I don't know you, but having read your threads and the way you're whipping off replies to everything as quickly as you can, all the outrage you express, resorting to calling them thieves when you can't come to an agreement, etc., makes me think you might not have the temperament for it. But I would hope that a calm exchange with someone there explaining your concern about the ID requirements and asking if there was some other way to resolve this, might get you somewhere. And I saw the posts where you mentioned suggesting other ways of satisfying their requirements - I'm just wondering how amicable those conversations were from your side. Perhaps you were a perfect gentleman articulating your points politely, and they just won't work with you, IDK. It sounds like you've arrived at an impasse and no one is going to convince you to do anything more from your side. Hopefully that changes, and good luck to you.

I'm not quite clear on what this post is all about. So is everyone who disagrees with OP an idiot, or just those who were being mean? And what do they have to do with the DOJ coming down hard on FTP and Stars?

I want my 5 minutes back for opening this thread and reading it. Obviously OP is one of those tin foil hat wearing people. Next time read the TOS before you play on a site.

The only problem I see is that OP doesn't want to go through the same security verification that everyone else has to go through. He somehow doesn't realize this is completely standard with almost all sites. I had to do this probably ten times with different sites. The only two I didn't have to do verification with was Stars and Tilt but I know they do it too sometimes.

+1

I agree that it is bad for business not just accept random deposits from credit cards; however the site has made a business decision to increase its own liability to fraud (deeming that as a lesser evil than losing business). So, it's the site's responsibility to deal with the consequences of accepting a fraudulent deposit.

The way Intertops is handling this, they are just freerolling people (You can deposit any time, but if you don't jump through hoops, you can't withdraw).

In any case, this is moot regarding the OP's case as he didn't go via credit card. They know his deposit wasn't fraudulent. I don't see any justification for requiring additional documentation.

It's within their capabilities to transfer funds from his account to the same online wallet that he deposited from. Is there some jurisdiction where it is illegal for a business to return funds via the same method it received them, without verifying IDs?

No I don't want a company that I am not going to do business with, have personal info that they do not need. The excuse is to verify even though they have nothing to verify against.

All 6 sites I have played at never asked for such info.

If this "security" protocol was known to me I would have never joined there.

If everyone jumped off a bridge would you? Just because everyone gladly bends over and gives someone or something, that they have never even met, anything that they want. Is not reason for me to go along with it.

You can do what you want to with your info, let me do what I want with mine. Agreed?

WRONG!!!!I have posted their TOS ITT. They are clearly violating it. They have clearly not provided full disclosure. One of three necessary elements to a contract. Without these elements the contract becomes void ab nitio
Or void from the beginning.

Again you can call me whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact they are keeping my property against my will. Do you support the taking of property against ones will??

1 Starting from the top. You say your not accusing me of fraud then at the end you say what if the cash was drug money or stolen???Clearly not the case. But many will keep trying to justify this theft, ransom, whatever word you want to use. Its the same thing they are not giving me my property against my will.

2 They are requesting the photo and # to "verify" something that they cannot actually verify.

3 Here you admit that they want it as easy as possible to take your money. And then make it as hard as possible to get it off.

4 What if it wasn't fraudulent? Then they have no further excuse for keeping my property?

I will get to the meat of your post in a bit.

Submitting ID during the first cash out is so standard in online poker that I can't believe 2+2 is allowing this thread to stay open.

edited to add: And if you can think of legitamit reasons why the site would do this, you're not thinking very hard.

If its so standard then why have I never been asked? Except for Intertops. If its so standard then why wouldn't they make you do this in the sign up phase?

You can't believe that 2+2 would let a long time member in good standing talk about having his property taken from him for no reason?

Guess no one should talk about FT or UB or......................

If you have nothing to contribute please go somewhere else. This is a big forum you have lots of choices

Sorry you are wrong about their TOS, I already posted this but because it proves you wrong you ignored it. Here it is again, this time read it:

Let's look at this again:

SECURITY CHECKS, REVIEWS AND RELEASES: INTERTOPS reserves the right to verify Your identity and the fidelity of the information You have supplied by making various security and ID checks. If You fail or refuse on request to comply and sign a security request from INTERTOPS, INTERTOPS reserves the right to void Your account.

There are trying to verify your identity and are asking you to supply ID.

Plus it also says:

Also, the general terms of INTERTOPS available at http://www.intertops.eu/cms/en/rules...ook.htm?lan=en shall apply to any use of the Services provided by INTERTOPS.

And if you follow the link:

1.1.6 Intertops reserves the right to close the account of any customer at its discretion, especially if no valid identification documents can be provided. In the event that any customer, after having his/her account closed for any reason whatsoever, opens another account under his/her own name or under the name of an alias or through the co-operation of one or more persons, Intertops shall reserve the right not only to close said account but also to retain any account balance therein without notice.

What more do you want?