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Originally Posted by newschool
Hi Bobo, I have the original moneygram receipt, I sent cash. Wheres the fraud??? I have never been accused of nor have commited any fraud or wrong doing.
I didn't say anything about you committing fraud. The only time I mentioned fraud was in responding to Kittens' post about how the site has to send back deposits no matter what.
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Originally Posted by newschool
Fine replace robbing with stolen ie depriving one of their property. Which is what is being done here.
That's the same thing. They haven't stolen anything; they are requesting ID to cash out, and you refuse to give them any. A passport without a number or a picture is hardly ID.
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Originally Posted by newschool
And why would that be unrealistic they make you to cashout? Why not to deposit? If I would have known this in the beginning I would have never signed up.
Poker sites want it to be easy for players to deposit money. If you like to make money at poker, you want it to be easy for fish to deposit money. And it would be a much larger cost to them. Why go through this process for 100% of customers when they can do it for the 10% or 1% or whatever the number is that sets off flags in their system?
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Originally Posted by Kittens
Then the poker site can eat it, just like any other fraudulent deposit they accept. It's their job to check that deposits are valid.
OP's deposit could just as easily have been lost at the tables to someone else, if the someone else (who is verified) withdraws the money then where does that leave the site?
I haven't followed OP's case closely enough to know how he deposited. If he deposits via a credit card and then withdraws to a DIFFERENT card, or a different withdrawal method, 3 days later, then I agree that they could withhold the withdrawal until they have verified the DEPOSIT.
It's been months though; if the OP deposited via creditcard and the card was reported stolen or a chargeback put through, they would know about it by now.
When I responded to your post, I wasn't talking about OP's case specifically. I was talking about your rather silly point that "If they accept money from someone they should also pay money back to that person. End of story AFAIC. Anything else is theft". I asked you what happens if the deposit is fraudulent.
I bet the poker sites eat a lot of deposits as it is. But what you're suggesting would mean either a lot more losses for the poker sites - which you can bet means higher rake or less promos for the players - or onerous requirements during the deposit. How conducive to business do you think it would be if they stopped accepting CC deposits, for example, or made you wait 90+ days before letting you cash out so they could be sure the card wasn't reported stolen and/or the charge disputed?
To a certain extent, I understand where OP is coming from; he's concerned about the security of his information. But when you deposit your money on a poker site, you usually need to be willing to place a little trust in them that they will keep your information private. The way OP describes it, if everything is accurate, it sounds like a pretty straightforward case that shouldn't be too difficult to straighten out. But you have to remember that poker sites have certain security procedures in place for a reason, and right or wrong, they probably put people into certain wide-sweeping categories, as they're not going to have the resources to look at every single security issue in great detail. Just because OP deposited with cash doesn't mean all is well. What if it was counterfeit? What if he's laundering money from a drug business? Of course I'm not suggesting either of these things are the case, but you have to look at the bigger picture. And they may not have some magical amount of money where they decide that any deposit over $500 could be money laundering, but everything under $500 isn't, unless they make more than 1 deposit a week, or use different locations to disguise their deposits, etc., etc. Something about OP's situation likely triggered a security flag, and now this is the procedure they make everyone with that flag go through.
OP, I'm curious if you've tried civilly finding a resolution to this. No offense intended (as we all have weaknesses - goodness knows I do), but I have a hard time seeing you being capable of doing this. I don't know you, but having read your threads and the way you're whipping off replies to everything as quickly as you can, all the outrage you express, resorting to calling them thieves when you can't come to an agreement, etc., makes me think you might not have the temperament for it. But I would hope that a calm exchange with someone there explaining your concern about the ID requirements and asking if there was some other way to resolve this, might get you somewhere. And I saw the posts where you mentioned suggesting other ways of satisfying their requirements - I'm just wondering how amicable those conversations were from your side. Perhaps you were a perfect gentleman articulating your points politely, and they just won't work with you, IDK. It sounds like you've arrived at an impasse and no one is going to convince you to do anything more from your side. Hopefully that changes, and good luck to you.
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Originally Posted by murdahc
keep up the good fight. the idiots in this thread dissing you are the same idiots responsible for the DOJ coming down hard on FTP and Pstars.
I'm not quite clear on what this post is all about. So is everyone who disagrees with OP an idiot, or just those who were being mean? And what do they have to do with the DOJ coming down hard on FTP and Stars?