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Old 03-11-2017, 11:30 AM   #26
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Re: IDN Poker network

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Well I saw what they did on DBG Dollaro they can see ur cards and that guy knew what to do all the time seemed like he could have a partner idk, very shady this sites. Warning everyone, don't wanna loose more time into this I knew where I was going to play I took the risk. Have a nice day.
Is(was) there superusing on DBG? You can also PM me some details.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:07 PM   #27
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This is not so bold claim. There wasn't any evidence of superusers before UB/AP scandal and the whole idea of superusers got a lot of resistance before it was proved.

Don't you think it is more likely to get cheated on these non-established asian networks compared to Stars, 888 etc?

It doesn't even have to be sites staff that is cheating you... bad shuffling algos can be cracked and in this case it's possible to know every hand and board run out.
It is pretty hard to find out how secure their RNG is before it's too late. Check the link below so you get the idea.

http://www.developer.com/tech/articl...e-Security.htm
What you missed is nothing about that guys claims matches up with a superuser. Everything he said was Completed standard plays. I Totally believe these shady Asian sites could have superusers, nothing about what that guy claimed comes even close to proving or resembling a superuser. Just like every rigtard in the poker is rigged thread, "I lost 10 times in a row with AA, do you think my opponents we're bots?" When one has nothing to do with the other
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Old 03-11-2017, 01:47 PM   #28
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I don't have time to look at the whole video, but I saw those two hands, and the one where he got J4o in pre-flop and "accidentally" won. Maybe I'm mistaken, but from that I would assume Anj is chip-dumping to the other player. i.e. he's trying to lose.
Well he did the same thing to me, to my friend and many other players, and I guarantee you, he wasn't dumping any chips to me lol. In fact, he took 120 millions chips (equivalent to $12k) from that player. I estimate that he made about $20-30k yesterday night alone.

And yeah he got it in with all kinds of rags preflop, not only J4o, but 82o, 94o, 92o... and always manage to win. The success rate is absurd. No one can run that good for that long.
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Old 03-11-2017, 02:09 PM   #29
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What you missed is nothing about that guys claims matches up with a superuser. Everything he said was Completed standard plays. I Totally believe these shady Asian sites could have superusers, nothing about what that guy claimed comes even close to proving or resembling a superuser. Just like every rigtard in the poker is rigged thread, "I lost 10 times in a row with AA, do you think my opponents we're bots?" When one has nothing to do with the other
Have you watched the videos in my post? I am sure this is some sort of super user. Not the kind who can see our cards. He just somehow can manipulate the board run out. I play against him for hours so after a while I could identify the pattern in his "algorithm":
- Call every raise with every hand preflop
- If we check, he'll almost always check it down, hence you can see some ridiculous check back on the river with the nut flush (non-paired board) or full house. But if we bet, he would over bet shove.
- If we have a strong hand, he will frequently just fold right away without waiting for us to bet
...

It's not normal that different mid stakes regs from different countries (I don't know onez69) experiencing the same thing, from the same network, in the same timespan of 1 week (I was googling about IDN after the scandal tonight, and this is the thread that I come up with). I am not a poker newbie, I know how to distinguish between someone who runs good and some absurd result from external intervention.

In fact, before tonight, we have already noticed some similar "super users" who display weird behavior: a guy who generally plays like a nit, suddenly limps from UTG and calls a 4x raise with 63o, and the flop comes 662. I actually talk about this with a poker news website yesterday, and I told them that I would try to make a video. And boom, tonight this user comes and shows us this kind of ridiculous action.

Do you really think 3 experienced mid stakes regs couldn't beat a megafish who has 100% VPIP and will call every shoves with every hands preflop? onez69 abandoned after 10 minutes, so it could be some "variance". But I stay up all night, at first playing against him, then when I lost for the 5th time in a row with my QQ against 93o or something then I stopped and decided to record its action against the other players instead for the rest of the night. With the same result.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:23 PM   #30
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I agree with onez69.

I'm also playing online poker for years, I am used to variance and luck, so I don't care much about bad beat/suck out. However, what happens here is not normal. The rate of cooler/bad beat is absurd. But it only happens at the highest table ($5/10 to $20/40).

Watch these videos and tell me if I am wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBN_SiCA6cY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EruVUUFq4UI (I put the timeline in the description)
The fish/super user has 100% VPIP, will call any raise up to any amount including all in with any hands. And he wins 9 times out of 10. Look at the amount of coolers. And it happens the whole night, these 2 videos are just an example, I start recording after playing and losing a bunch against him. The 2 players in the video (camap and KRR) are not me, so it happens to everyone. Me and these 2 players are some of the best in the network, and we all totally lose to this megafish successively in the same night? Please.

And notice when he does weird things like checking back top pair 3 streets on safe board, checking back the nut flush or full house on the river. Does any normal player make play like that? He also just left mid-hand many times, probably when he knows he cannot beat his opponent's hand.

Here are the 10 all-ins that happen preflop in these 2 videos, along with the percentage to win. Do you know how hard it is to win 9 times out of 10?
A9 < AQ 74%
A8s < 54o 37%
AKo < Q2o 31%
K9o < 83s 37%
66 < K6 31%
AT > AKs 75%
A8s < A7s 36%
55 < 92o 30%
K9o < 92o 23%
A5o < 84s 40%

Here is another video of that super user playing 6-max:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjJGDIVSK04&t=4s
Same playstyle (100% VPIP in 6-max, calling any amount with any hands preflop), and proceed to own everyone at the table. Read the description for more details.
Wow.... happened the same to me I just saved that hand all in preflop https://gyazo.com/11cf847201173d791bfd5eef54ea6027 I wanted to make a video but I don't have Camtasia and I didn't record but I feel the same as you is all the time cooler vs cooler and u are always on the wrong side vs 100-x .. add me my skype is onez699, I reported also to my affiliate that but he said he couldn't proof maybe with you we can work something out.

IF someone played there and feels the same add me on skype onez699 and we could report this to affiliates or something.
Best regards..
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:35 PM   #31
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Have you watched the videos in my post? I am sure this is some sort of super user. Not the kind who can see our cards. He just somehow can manipulate the board run out. I play against him for hours so after a while I could identify the pattern in his "algorithm":
- Call every raise with every hand preflop
- If we check, he'll almost always check it down, hence you can see some ridiculous check back on the river with the nut flush (non-paired board) or full house. But if we bet, he would over bet shove.
- If we have a strong hand, he will frequently just fold right away without waiting for us to bet
...

It's not normal that different mid stakes regs from different countries (I don't know onez69) experiencing the same thing, from the same network, in the same timespan of 1 week (I was googling about IDN after the scandal tonight, and this is the thread that I come up with). I am not a poker newbie, I know how to distinguish between someone who runs good and some absurd result from external intervention.

In fact, before tonight, we have already noticed some similar "super users" who display weird behavior: a guy who generally plays like a nit, suddenly limps from UTG and calls a 4x raise with 63o, and the flop comes 662. I actually talk about this with a poker news website yesterday, and I told them that I would try to make a video. And boom, tonight this user comes and shows us this kind of ridiculous action.

Do you really think 3 experienced mid stakes regs couldn't beat a megafish who has 100% VPIP and will call every shoves with every hands preflop? onez69 abandoned after 10 minutes, so it could be some "variance". But I stay up all night, at first playing against him, then when I lost for the 5th time in a row with my QQ against 93o or something then I stopped and decided to record its action against the other players instead for the rest of the night. With the same result.
I was reading everything and I played for 24-48h there but the volume of hands wasn't that "big" coz I got busted 4500-5000$, badbeats and absurd runouts everytime so bankroll deposited was gone quick and I needed to contact the affiliate to deposit again and he was sleeping at that time.. I feel the same as you seriously, when I posted no one believed me.. and I see now I wasn't wrong, I have to add also I had a horse there stacked and he played around NL200 and feeled exactly exactly the same as us... I watched even him play and is insane 100-x hitting 3 times in a row full house, calling 1/2 stack with K7 and board K66 we have AK and runout 77, Board K6677 is completly joke this site rigged 100% sure.. I was watching your videos it's exactly the same of what happened to me.. add me in skype onez699 i've already contacted my affiliate let's see if we can recover the money I doubt but we got nothing to loose. Best regards.
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:18 AM   #32
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Re: IDN Poker network

Hi all,

My name is Robert and I am happy to announce that I am the IDN poker representative. Any questions or concerns you might have, I will be answering you guys as soon as I can.

I made a lot of background search about the problems stated in this thread regarding the username Anjiing88. I am happy to inform that nothing illegal happened. Overall he is a big loosing player and so no superuser is in play.
I have to admit that he has a very weird gameplay, but after I made the research I realized he is loosing the money using the same style of play.
I also analyzed who is he loosing to and there are a lot of players from different countries and cities...so no chip dumping either.

I am sorry to hear about your experiences guys but after checking everything out I have to say you guys just had bad luck.

Robert,
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:54 AM   #33
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Right. So the big losing player suddenly decides to go challenge some of the best players at the highest stakes, calling all in preflop with 92o 84o all the time and proceed to beat everyone? And hitting full house 20 times in 1 night (playing 1 table)? Checking back the nut on the river consistently? Keep doing weird things like quitting the table and coming back every 3 hands or so, resetting his stack? Folding mid-hand without facing any aggression whenever his opponent hits a strong hand?

I'm not gonna buy it.
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Old 03-14-2017, 09:40 AM   #34
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IDN_REP no one buys this story seriously me and one of my horses we played there and we believe ur site is rigged, always everyone has same style all table limp and this guys like Anjiing88 are playing 100% of the hands and they are hitting like super tight range 1 out of 2 hands hit nuts and when they hit nuts u have 2nd nuts or 3rd nuts all the time haha there's no one buys this been playing poker professionally for 7 years and I played many sites and never had this feeling like IDNPoker... the coolers in your site are insane no one buys that seriously ur site is rigged somehow by superusers or bots cheating..
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:04 PM   #35
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Hi all,

My name is Robert and I am happy to announce that I am the IDN poker representative. Any questions or concerns you might have, I will be answering you guys as soon as I can.

I made a lot of background search about the problems stated in this thread regarding the username Anjiing88. I am happy to inform that nothing illegal happened. Overall he is a big loosing player and so no superuser is in play.
I have to admit that he has a very weird gameplay, but after I made the research I realized he is loosing the money using the same style of play.
I also analyzed who is he loosing to and there are a lot of players from different countries and cities...so no chip dumping either.

I am sorry to hear about your experiences guys but after checking everything out I have to say you guys just had bad luck.

Robert,
If you're really an IDN rep, please get verified by the mods/admins, to that your screenname is a different colour.

FWIW, "loosing" is not the word you are looking for.
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Old 03-15-2017, 01:37 AM   #36
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The IDN_Rep is banned within 1 day? WTF? Rigged 2+2 acc also?
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:49 AM   #37
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This is not so bold claim. There wasn't any evidence of superusers before UB/AP scandal and the whole idea of superusers got a lot of resistance before it was proved.
No, it really didn't, because in that case, some decent evidence was provided fairly early on. Of course there were a few doubters initially, but not nearly as many as people seem to think ~10 years later.

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The IDN_Rep is banned within 1 day? WTF? Rigged 2+2 acc also?
That's what happens when you don't do this before posting as a rep:

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If you're really an IDN rep, please get verified by the mods/admins
We're working on getting them verified now.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:25 AM   #38
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Thanks for the confirmation Bobo Fett, You can verify them but I really believe their site is rigged or have superusers or bots, kinda scary wont recommend anyone to play there
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:16 AM   #39
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Hello guys....glad to be back !!


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Right. So the big losing player suddenly decides to go challenge some of the best players at the highest stakes, calling all in preflop with 92o 84o all the time and proceed to beat everyone? And hitting full house 20 times in 1 night (playing 1 table)? Checking back the nut on the river consistently? Keep doing weird things like quitting the table and coming back every 3 hands or so, resetting his stack? Folding mid-hand without facing any aggression whenever his opponent hits a strong hand?

I'm not gonna buy it.
Some of the things don't make any sense though...

1) Why would anyone(even superuser) check back the nuts on the river
2) Let's assume for a second he really is a superuser...why would he reset his stack to minimum or close to minimum...he should keep his big stack in order to cover every player, right?

How do you know what hands he is folding?
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:25 AM   #40
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IDN_REP no one buys this story seriously me and one of my horses we played there and we believe ur site is rigged, always everyone has same style all table limp and this guys like Anjiing88 are playing 100% of the hands and they are hitting like super tight range 1 out of 2 hands hit nuts and when they hit nuts u have 2nd nuts or 3rd nuts all the time haha there's no one buys this been playing poker professionally for 7 years and I played many sites and never had this feeling like IDNPoker... the coolers in your site are insane no one buys that seriously ur site is rigged somehow by superusers or bots cheating..
This is the thing...all table limp...and of course if you see the flop 5-6 handed or even more in a Full Ring table you might get the feeling that the coolers happen very often.
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:42 AM   #41
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Hello guys....glad to be back !!




Some of the things don't make any sense though...

1) Why would anyone(even superuser) check back the nuts on the river
2) Let's assume for a second he really is a superuser...why would he reset his stack to minimum or close to minimum...he should keep his big stack in order to cover every player, right?

How do you know what hands he is folding?
1# Quite easy, I saw the youtube videos and he checks river with nuts twice because the other player has nothing.. so he knows is going to fold anyways that's why he checks back..
2# I have no idea about that but he does it sometimes not always..
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Old 03-18-2017, 10:45 AM   #42
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This is the thing...all table limp...and of course if you see the flop 5-6 handed or even more in a Full Ring table you might get the feeling that the coolers happen very often.
It happened to me in HU game I played 20 hands vs C4R4SHOTS, you could investigate that player please? he played 20 hands of HU against me and won all of them, and he won me 8 stacks of 20bb, 8 of them I had 2 times AA / 3 times trips vs trips better kicker the opponent, 2nd nuts flush vs nuts flush, JT vs J9 on T92 he check push on flop.. and ofc 9 on the turn (8%) , and last hand was full house vs full house on 97667 he had 97 ofc I had 65. Didn't win a single hand to that player. My range was most strong range ever for Heads Up game and he manage to win all hands

Who buys this story? Seriously.. Investigate that player please and get back to me if u want Robert but I still believe ur site is rigged or have superusers..

Best regards.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:15 PM   #43
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nothing about your post makes sense. its the same rigtard nonsense that has been posted thousands of times before about every single site (especially if you read the site reviews on pokerscout)

0 chance your a reg if you are complaining about losing with AA due to get sucked out on, oh wow it happened twice? must be rigged
fish that play 100% of hands are going to go on heaters just like anyone else and win 20 hands in a row. this happens all the time if you actually play real volume like you claim you do.
which site do you work for?
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:02 PM   #44
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1) Why would anyone(even superuser) check back the nuts on the river
2) Let's assume for a second he really is a superuser...why would he reset his stack to minimum or close to minimum...he should keep his big stack in order to cover every player, right?

How do you know what hands he is folding?
That's the thing. His action isn't something any normal human player would do. Even bad human players, who just learn the rules for 1 day wouldn't do what he does. So those things could be bugs in their programming or something.

I actually have seen this behavior (checking back the nuts consistently) before, when I was playing at another Asian network (p8poker). At first, the bot there was programmed to pot size bet (he only has one bet size) every time he hits top pair or better, check call when he has a draw, and check fold when he has nothing. We exploited that by calling in position vs his preflop raise with anything, then if he checks, we would bet 1bb (even if the pot is like 20bb), and he would fold. After a while, the bot owner completely changes the algorithm, so the bot now attempts to check raise every time he hits the nuts. But because of bugs or something, or the programmers simply aren't that good at poker, the bots do not distinguish between IP and OOP and sometimes would check back the nut on the river.

I have played thousands of hands against bots (in fact, I found a bug in the bots at p8poker and won $6k in one night playing $0.5/1 vs them, until their owner found out and completely fix the bug - there's no way a human would let me exploit that leak over and over and over again). I have experience against bots so I could quickly see something is not right when I face those players at IDN. They could be bots, they could be superusers, or they could be something else completely new, but it's clear they are not normal human players.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:21 AM   #45
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It happened to me in HU game I played 20 hands vs C4R4SHOTS, you could investigate that player please? he played 20 hands of HU against me and won all of them, and he won me 8 stacks of 20bb, 8 of them I had 2 times AA / 3 times trips vs trips better kicker the opponent, 2nd nuts flush vs nuts flush, JT vs J9 on T92 he check push on flop.. and ofc 9 on the turn (8%) , and last hand was full house vs full house on 97667 he had 97 ofc I had 65. Didn't win a single hand to that player. My range was most strong range ever for Heads Up game and he manage to win all hands

Who buys this story? Seriously.. Investigate that player please and get back to me if u want Robert but I still believe ur site is rigged or have superusers..

Best regards.
Can you please check again the username? I tried C4R4SHOTS and there is no result with this name in our database.
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Old 03-20-2017, 05:36 AM   #46
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That's the thing. His action isn't something any normal human player would do. Even bad human players, who just learn the rules for 1 day wouldn't do what he does. So those things could be bugs in their programming or something.

I actually have seen this behavior (checking back the nuts consistently) before, when I was playing at another Asian network (p8poker). At first, the bot there was programmed to pot size bet (he only has one bet size) every time he hits top pair or better, check call when he has a draw, and check fold when he has nothing. We exploited that by calling in position vs his preflop raise with anything, then if he checks, we would bet 1bb (even if the pot is like 20bb), and he would fold. After a while, the bot owner completely changes the algorithm, so the bot now attempts to check raise every time he hits the nuts. But because of bugs or something, or the programmers simply aren't that good at poker, the bots do not distinguish between IP and OOP and sometimes would check back the nut on the river.

I have played thousands of hands against bots (in fact, I found a bug in the bots at p8poker and won $6k in one night playing $0.5/1 vs them, until their owner found out and completely fix the bug - there's no way a human would let me exploit that leak over and over and over again). I have experience against bots so I could quickly see something is not right when I face those players at IDN. They could be bots, they could be superusers, or they could be something else completely new, but it's clear they are not normal human players.
About Anjiing88 I noticed that he uses the chat box very often and that he has a very different response rate whenever it's his turn to act. So it's impossible for him to be a bot.
Regarding the superuser accusation it's nothing more I can add differently from my first post.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:37 AM   #47
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If only the IDN investigation team is half as competent, and 1/10 as dedicated to solve the problem as the Pokerstars team:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...tyler-1359054/
So far the only way they could judge whether a player cheats or not is to see if he is a lifetime losing player or not LOL.
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Old 03-21-2017, 06:40 AM   #48
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DOOMASS is the nickname
he took a few hundred euro from me playing hu on a 4 max table
is this guy is not some sort of superuser then i thinks we have a new isildur
i play poker for ten years but what i have experienced today playing 20 minutes against this guy is unreal .
unless i have confirmation that this guy has been caught cheating in some way i am done with site
please investigate robert_rep
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:14 AM   #49
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Hello cc11,

I searched the username DOOMASS and there were no results found. Can you please check again the username ?
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Old 03-22-2017, 03:21 AM   #50
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DOMASS OR MAYBE DOOMAS OR DOOMASS ONE OF THIS FOR SURE.i am not a kid crying for his lost money i am 100 percent sure he had some kind of advantage playing hu against me
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