Fairly standard for contract work.

yea if you're an expert in a niche of programming then contract work can easily command several $100s/hr

from the other forum:

Hi everyone,

I am Dave Brenes, from Pitbull Poker.

I'm sorry I haven't been here to post before, I know you were waiting to hear from me.

Regarding the issue with the suspicious play, I have seen this request more than once at different places, and I understand the nature of the request itself and why is it an important matter but I need to clarify something for you guys:

1. NO player on our software can see the other player's cards or the cards about to come. Plain and simple, it cannot be done.
2. Flash based software, it is not insecure or vulnerable to hacking. We have proved ours many times and not once it has failed.
3. Our engine has been certified by iTech Labs one of the most known auditors for random and fairness in gaming. This ensures the integrity of our games.
4. Any bug you find please provide the information through the proper venues and in the proper way. You can send me an email and provide as many details as possible of the bug, I will make sure it is reviewed and fixed.
5. Hand histories are available from the game, and that's how we provide them. We are not hiding anything, the hands are there. We cannot make large queries to our data base at this time as we have our hands on other priorities that demand time and work we cannot focus on data mining from archive servers.

I know there is been a lot of speculation regarding the situation, but if you suspect from a player please send me the player's user name, the table's name, date and time and if possible the hand number(s) and I will be glad to review it. It is definitely in our best interest to protect our players and maintain the security and integrity of our site.

Thanks everyone and let me know if you have further questions.

Regards,

Dave Brenes
Network Manager
Pitbull Poker
Pitbull Casino
Pitbull Partners


So basically they are too busy to prove their games are fair. To make it simpler I challenge them to simply get us the 1000 hands of LHE Rapala played. I am willing to let those hands stand as the evidence that there is cheating or not. 1000 hands should be doable even for a ridiculously busy site like pitbull.

AP scandal part 3 in dis thread.

Very interesting.

It's in their best interests to provide hand histories and the longer they dodge this issue then the more harm they are doing to themselves as a company.

I for one will not be depositing any money on their site and no doubt anyone else reading this will be of the same opinion.

Well, that wraps it all up then.

haha.

Yup close case. You gotta take their word for it.

One of our props claims to have seen an opponents cards during a hand. The 3rd player at the table said he could see them as well.

This means that he is either lying or this is a major problem with how they transmit hole card data.

I was blocking out all the prop references in the exchange I posted, but then I remembered pbdave openly discusses using props in another thread. So no big deal I guess. The other forum I am mentioning is the propping forum.

I played at Pitbull late last year and early this year. I played 2.5-5 to 10-20 NL, but mostly I played the 5-10 NL game.
The following things I found suspicious at pitbull.
There were several players that all played a very the same style. Its a difficult style to describe, but basically they all kept the pot small at all times by min rzing pf and betting small %'s of the pot later on. I didnt think much of it at first but after I began to get suspicious when there were so many different guys that played the same. In addition they would all make small donk bets oop when I was weak. They never made these bets when I was strong. Also I could never or rarely get them to call a big bet with the worse hand on the river.

Something was just not right on PB. I've been a pro for over 10 years and won lots on many different sites. I had never played players with this horrible style and not be able to beat them.
Another thing I found odd on PB was my ability to get a game so easy. I often would open a 5-10 NL table and wait. On very small sites you often wait a long time for someone to sit down with you. Yet at PB someone would almost always sit with me within 5 minutes. The same was true of 10-20NL. Now this is a very small site that rarely had big games going so I found this odd also. When these players sat down they always played the same style and I never beat them.

Ive never thought I was being cheated on any other site. I am 99% sure Pitbull poker had cheaters when I was playing there.

pigbot

ok, let's see if i have this correct:

some of you are million dollar winners.

yet you expect the site to do it? the format of the HH was set before you deposited. if you did not like it, you should not have played. the onus is on you and your millionaire buddies to plug in the info.

but wait, you don't even have to, because along comes suzzer99 who is respected and known to be super competent. she says the task is not that daunting.

ok, cool, you agree that paying for 10 hours is well worth it. i mean, you are about to blow open a new superuser case, so 10 hours is a small price to pay, right?

suzzer quotes you a VERY reasonable price considering that many programmers won't even read your spec sheet for this tiny job.

you reply, Heh, i'll wait for pitbull. so now you are waiting for a site that has not given you what you want since december, yet there is someone here that can have you answers by the weekend. why would you think pitbull will be more helpful?!? you have come across as an extortionist, plain and simple. he has offered 100% TRANSPARENCY, BUT YOU DON'T LIKE THE FORMAT OF THE HH??

do you realize how utterly stupid you look? also, imho, you have made dave seem reasonable and competent. most of the sites would ban you after your first spam/threat to them. i find it an absolute ****** riot that you claim to have millionaires in your group of victims, yet between all of you you would rather wait months and months more while pitbull restructures to find out if they are going to even help at all? this notion alone makes your claims 100% redonkulous.


yes it is suzzer, yes it is.



@ all. this sounds like a losing player with a hunch. he has been beaten down silly at this site and he screams superuser? i find OP to be one of the biggest kooks to post in the zoo in ages. i really don't think OP knows how ridiculous this thread is, and how childish his behaivor and communications have been.

@ op, i can ASSURE you that if the board thought for one second that there was something fishy here, this thread would have blown up like every PROVEN major scandal has. there are zero respected, established posters on yout side itt. it is not because they don't care about superusers, it is because your op and subsequent statements have zero credibility based on what you have presented here.

Hmmm. I used to play there, stopped over a year ago. As to never having a problem finding a game, yes, I always noticed that, too, but never thought too much about it, but in light of this thread, I can see now how that is suspicious.

Personally, I never really felt cheated. Did okay. Just got tired of the software. Never had a problem with cashouts, got the hat and t-shirt, as promised. At some point, they changed, and even though I'd been playing there for two years and cashed out multiple times, they started requiring all kinds of ID and crap to cash out, and I just said, nah, not going to bother with all that.

There is a big difference between winning million dollars over a career and being a millionare. I've been playing 7 years and won about 100k a year on avg. My intention wasn't to present myself as a high roller but rather as someone that has played a TON of poker. I can assure you I am most definitely not a high roller.

PBdave told someone already that it is possible to get hand histories. We know they have the capability. I'm not a tech guy and don't plan to become one when they already have the capability and just don't want to use it.

There is a big difference between pitbull and AP obviously. There were many more people watching and playing in those games, and they were PT compatible HH's, so it was easy to show the stats and demonstrate the cheating.

All we want is 1000 hands from pitbull. That really isn't that unreasonable I don't think.

FWIW, not that you really care I am sure, I left pitbull a decent winner.

And the reason there are no established posters chiming in is because they don't play on pitbull and have no experience in these games. Hopefully some more players with experience will come along. That is the point of this thread.

i have a friend that i trust very much at his word that says he has 1. been abducted by aliens and 2. claims to have seen jim morrison in 1985. i believe he beliebes that that these things happened. it does not make it true. you are quoting this circumstantial claim as a valid point that bolsters your hunch, yet is is completely hearsay. it is sad that you don't understand this important distinction.

does your prop friend have any proof? or do you take him at his word? if you have been playing for 7 years, you would realize that there are countless examples of board cards from the previous hand still showing on the next flop. heck, i was playing one day and there were SIX board cards! this is a graphics bug, plain and simple.

Dumb comparisons since 1000 hands of hh would help a ton.
Didn't you say something about hearsay?

Stop being so quick to judge OG over trivial matters like how much he's made.