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Old 07-24-2009, 05:23 PM   #241
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Dave is gonna wish he never pissed off a bunch of 2+2ers.
This. If there's one thing I've learned it's not to bring a half ass story to these forums. You will get exposed.
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:25 PM   #242
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from http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/1/emw338504.htm




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Advantage - www.wsop.com/advantage.php
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:31 PM   #243
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I don't get the connection to Schiavio. Please explain. I don't think a shared nameserver is enough to go on. I think Schiavio may just be a domain broker/squatter and at some point had something to do with the domain for the pheremones. I don't see a business connection.

http://domain.adrforum.com/domains/decisions/720792.htm

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Old 07-24-2009, 05:48 PM   #244
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I don't get the connection to Schiavio. Please explain. I don't think a shared nameserver is enough to go on.
FWIW that is the only other site I have found besides the ones listed above that were hosted on the pherx.com server.
Here is my speculation at the moment:

wsop.com was possibly a joint venture between
Kevin Baronowsky and Federico Schiavio. Mr. Schiavio was the IT director for Binions at one point so had some of the technical expertise needed to create a poker site. Mr. Baronowsky is just good at freakin everything. So they partner up and host things on Mr. B's server.

March 23, 2004 Harrahs initiates legal action against Schiavo over wsop.com.

April 19, 2004, Dimensus ltd is formed.

That is a pretty convenient timeline for this theory. I imagine they knew they would lose the lawsuit eventually so just got a new site going right away.

We know there are probably 2 owners of dimensus, maybe these are the 2.

Any guesses on which of the 2 Dave Brenes really is? I vote for Kevin B.

http://internetpokerplayer.blogspot....ine-poker.html
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:09 PM   #245
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Some other forum threads with Pitbull scam allegations all with dave making an appearance and doing damage control. The most relevant one to this thread is:

http://www.pokerjunkie.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14157



some others:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...bullpoker.html

http://www.cardschat.com/f10/pitbullpoker-again-143137/

http://www.highstakesdb.com/forum/Topic314696-19-1.aspx
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woops forgot the link.

http://forums.dsstester.com/vbb/show...t=18744&page=2

And it gets better!
Check out dsscanuck.com
Yes those are banners for pherx.com and eczemaderm.com


Eczemaderm.com is a new one and it is registered to a whole new company in Saint Kitts and Nevis, but it is hosted on the pherx.com servers.

No wonder PBdave is so freakin busy!
I wouldn't have time to process cashouts either if I was selling steroid cream, pherehormones, illegal cable equipment, and making sure my poker games are clean too!

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Dave is gonna wish he never pissed off a bunch of 2+2ers.
I were DAve Id start packing my bags quickly.

So does anyone know where one could report stuff like this to the authorities?
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:12 PM   #246
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Re: I suspect Pitbull Poker has superusers!

in before Dave disappears
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:16 PM   #247
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This is some more interesting stuff.

Kevin Baronowsky
9360 W. Flamingo Rd
Las Vegas, Nevada 89147
United States

is the registrant for xardplayer.com. That site redirects to pitbullpoker.com.
That address looks like its a strip mall.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...image&resnum=1
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:24 PM   #248
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That address looks like its a strip mall.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=...image&resnum=1
for the fun of it i'm gonna drive over there right now and check it out.
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:30 PM   #249
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I think the IRS and the FBI are the proper agencies.
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:47 PM   #250
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http://haleyspokerblog.blogspot.com/...rt-vi-not.html

This site gives the full rundown on the harrahs/wsop/schiavio mess.
In part 6, paragraph 8:

"Both included the promotional materials linking to the All In Poker site, even as the current wsop.com front page --- the one condemning Harrah's --- offers a standard affiliate-style link to a different, newer online room, PitBull Poker."




And at the very bottom:

"It once again demonstrates that Schiavio was far, far more than an All In Poker affiliate, "super" or not.

The "LTD" tag, indicating U.K. incorporation, is noted, too. Yes, Schiavio thought out well his plans to keep the wsop.com domain out of Harrah's hands or make its obtainment as expensive as possible. Schiavio worked in Vegas for Becky Behnen and recently operated from California, but one report had him back in his native Italy of late, making the ongoing civil actions that much more difficult for Harrah's. Paul Barnes, All In Poker's chief executive, seems to have relocated as well. Contact information for AIP in these post-UIGEA days now heads to an address in the British Virgin Islands.

A long, strange road indeed. No one can say for sure the ultimate fate of the wsop.com domain or Federico Schiavio's MLM dreams. At this juncture, no one is talking; it's a matter for the lawyers and the courts."
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Old 07-24-2009, 06:52 PM   #251
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:30 PM   #252
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It is also worth noting that in that blog it is mentioned that Schiavio was working on custom poker software for wsop.com. I think we know who to give credit for the amazing pitbull software now.
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:37 PM   #253
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Re: I suspect Pitbull Poker has superusers!

You may find this helpful in your research:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...tbullpoker.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://allinpoker.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.wsop.com


and the smoking gun:
http://web.archive.org/web/200701212.../www.wsop.com/


WSOP Legal Update

Special Announcement - World’s Standard of Online Poker® is pleased to announce the signing of an exclusive agreement with PitbullPoker.com, who offers a distinctive Online Flash Poker Room with no software download.
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:58 PM   #254
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updated cliff notes:


History of pitbull poker:

-sometime around 2000 Federico Schiavio, a high level IT employee of Binions,

registered the domain wsop.com
-he began developing custom poker software to launch a poker site on this

domain
-March 23, 2004 Harrahs begins legal action against Mr. Schiavio over the

wsop.com domain
-April 19, 2004 Dimensus Ltd is formed. This is the parent company of

pitbull poker.com.
-WSOP.com under Mr. Shiavio announces an arrangement with pitbull poker.

They begin using the wsop.com website to push pitbull poker.
It appears pitbull uses the custom software written by Mr. Schiavio

originally for the wsop.com poker site he was planning.

There is another interesting person in this story; Kevin Baronowsky.

He is the registrant of the following domains:

pherx.com a pherehormone selling site
pitbullpokr.com(no typo) which redirects to pitbullpoker.com
xardplayer.com(no typo) also redirects to pitbullpoker.com

dsscanuck is a screen name it appears he used on a forum that discusses

illegally accessing satellite television. In a discussion on that thread it

seems that he was busted by a government agency and turned informant.

dsscanuck.com is now a blank website that holds banners for pherx.com and

eczemaderm.com.

eczemaderm.com is a site that sells a steroid cream product and happens to be

hosted on the pherx.com servers.

What puts all this together is that wsop.com was also hosted on the pherx.com

servers.


Recent Cheating Allegations:

-there have been a number of seperate allegations that pitbull poker is

cheating its own customers through the ability to see hole cards
-the players have requested their hand histories in a useable format and

pitbull has refused
-as of today, July 24, 2009, players can no longer access any hand histories

online.

Other interesting facts:

-Dimensus Ltd the parent company of pitbull poker was dissolved, leaving no

apparent owner.
-Dimensus has never held a gaming license, but claims to be located in Costa

Rica where one is not necessary.


Many links to websites supporting the claims in this post can be found at
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...pitbull-poker-

has-superusers-540094/
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Old 07-24-2009, 08:21 PM   #255
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You may find this helpful in your research:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://...tbullpoker.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://allinpoker.com

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.wsop.com


and the smoking gun:
http://web.archive.org/web/200701212.../www.wsop.com/


WSOP Legal Update

Special Announcement - World’s Standard of Online Poker® is pleased to announce the signing of an exclusive agreement with PitbullPoker.com, who offers a distinctive Online Flash Poker Room with no software download.
awesome find! I'm starting a new thread in NVG because i'm pretty sure this thread has become a huge confusing mess to anyone that doesn't want to do lots of research.
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