I've been doing some research on pitbull. Here is what I have at the moment.

It is owned by dimensus ltd. That is easy, it says that on their web page.

The director of dimensus at the time it was dissolved was someone named Lucy Hudd. It was dissolved on March 10, 2009. She is about 27-28 years old and has yet been the director of all the following companies:

YEWSTEM LTD
YULEFERN LTD
FRAMHAM LTD
BURDETTA LTD
NILETYNE LTD
POPLARACE LTD
TELLISRANGE LTD
TRAMPIK LTD
INSTOMP LTD
MOWERNAME SURVEY LTD
INNERFORD ELECTRONIC LTD
PADAWAY LTD
TRANSNATIONAL TRADING (UK) LIMITED
BELLAROSE LIMITED
ENGIE LIMITED
IPC INDUSTRIAL PROMOTIONS AND COMMERCE LIMITED
OPTIMAL OPTICAL MARKETING LIMITED
SCS FINANCE LIMITED
VIVA MODEL MANAGEMENT LIMITED
FIZZBOURNE LIMITED
ANGELL CONSTRUCTION LTD
TOUCHY LIMITED
WELCOME HOLDING LIMITED

I can't find out what any of them do.

The company secretary is Bournewood Limited which seems to share a location with tons of other businesses and sounds like a shell company sort of thing in the british virgin islands. I guess that is pretty normal for online poker sites though. I can't find any further information on this company except for a few mentions of other companies also having them as secretary. They are companies that have been accused of runnign some sort of google scam. http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...98/page/6.html

So those are the officers and they both seem to be some sort of shell company/person that is shared by many companies. Or that could also explain why pitbull is always so busy, if Ms. Hudd is indeed running 20 companies at the same time.

There were two shareholders of Dimensus before it was dissolved.

1. Fermoya Limited
Palm Grove House
PO BOx 438
Tortola

Once again this is an address shared by lots of companies and is probably a mail drop sort of thing.

2. BMIE LTD
2nd Floor De Burgh House
Wickford
Essex
SS12 0BB

The companies that Lucy Hudd directs or has directed are located at this address too.

I can't find any information or reports from the 2 companies that actually owned dimensus.

So anyways I don't know what all that means but it has me curious who really runs this company.

That video doesn't prove much except they have glitchy software and fishy customers.

Dave I was wondering if you could answer some questions about your security department you mentioned.

1. How many people are on your security team?
2. What is their experience and/or qualifications?

It seems like they would be the ones to be putting down the accusations in this thread.

I am also wondering, if dimensus was indeed dissolved in March this year, who currently owns pitbull poker?

I've known 'pigbot' for over twelve years. He is what he says, a solid pro player and, what is more, a straight up man, entirely trustworthy and when it comes to poker there is no BS in him. He's been a lurker here for years and nothing I have been able to say to him has gotten him to post which is a shame because he has much to offer. I'm assuming that he created 'pigbot' specifically for this thread and for him to go out of his way to do so means he feels very strongly about the matter at hand.

When he told me that he'd finally made a post of course I wanted to read it. I don't know most of the responders because I'm not a regular in this subforum but, for what it's worth, I'll state that if my friend says something about poker it is from an expert and completely reliable.

He has quit Pitbull because his experience there was so far from what could be expected from a legitimate game that something had to be wrong and I take his word for it.

From: Dave Brenes [mailto:dave@pitbullgaming.com]
Sent: 17 March 09 11:41 PM
To: brentgraeme@gmail.com
Subject: Hand History



Hi Brent,



My deepest apologies but the DB Manager was never able to make room for your request since there was always something happening that prevented him to do it. The request is made, however we lost the DB manager and another programmer in less than a week, thus our organizational structure and the task load has been forced to be redistributed altering the course of requests and pending projects. I will give my absolute dedication to follow up on your request but I need to deal with an unexpected issue that is putting to wait all my tasks related to the IT department. I hope to give you more answer during the week. Cheers!



Regards,



Dave Brenes

Network Manager

Pitbull Gaming

www.pitbullgaming.com


Ha ha ha I am lol'ing as I read this email, which was sent 7 days after dimensus was dissolved.

"The request is made, however we lost the DB manager and another programmer in less than a week, thus our organizational structure and the task load has been forced to be redistributed altering the course of requests and pending projects. I will give my absolute dedication to follow up on your request but I need to deal with an unexpected issue that is putting to wait all my tasks related to the IT department."

That is a very understated way of saying we dissolved the owning company lol!

Dave, one more question. What is your UK gaming license number or if that isn't something you can give out, who can I contact to verify that you hold a valid license?

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Zack .: Hello, Bryan! Welcome to Live Customer Support! How may I be of your assistance?
Bryan: Hi Zack, I was wondering if you could provide me any info on the pitbull gaming license
Zack .: for which web site?
Zack .: Poker or Casino?
Bryan: pitbull poker
Zack .: please hold on
The agent is sending you to https://www.pitbullpoker.com/poker/index.jsp.
Zack .: click on that link please
Zack .: there you will be able to read our certification
Zack .: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
Bryan: where on the page will i find it?
Bryan: that is just my account home page
Zack .: under About Us
Zack .: you will need to select the Security & Fairness link from the drop down menu
Bryan: OK I am looking at that, but I don't see anything about a license.
Zack .: please try to read the entire page
Zack .: Our seed is a 64-bit number ensuring all 4 billion possible deck combinations and we also use values from the server's system resources, the system clock, and the hand number to ensure a purely random seed for each shuffle. PitbullPoker has had its shuffling algorithm independently tested by iTech Labs.
Bryan: I did, it talks about encryption, account security, and shuffling/rng stuff
Bryan: That is not a gaming license, that is simply an audit of your RNG.
Zack .: we don't require a License since we are not part of any independent firm gaming authorities
Zack .: RNG supports our games
Zack .: and we can prove it to you
Zack .: as you may noticed
Bryan: Yes but you must be legally licensed somewhere to run a gaming enterprise?
Bryan: Pitbull poker is in the UK right?
Zack .: our business is based in UK and its jurisdiction
Bryan: so do you have a UK gaming license?
Zack .: if that's what you are trying to find out
Bryan: Yes i am interested in where you hold your gaming license and what regulatory body you fall under.
Zack .: UK
Bryan: So you have a UK gaming license?
Zack .: any legal problems will be handle under UK laws
Zack .: if necessary
Zack .: if you have any further questions please send them via email
Bryan: Do you hold an actual gaming license?
Zack .: let me try to put this clear for you
Zack .: this is one of the points for our Terms & Conditions 9. GOVERNING LAW The Agreement and any matters relating hereto shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with the laws of the United Kingdom. Each party irrevocably agrees that the relevant courts of the United Kingdom shall have exclusive jurisdiction in relation to any claim, dispute or difference concerning the Agreement and any matter arising there from and irrevocably waives any right that it may have to object to an action being brought in those courts, or to claim that the action has been brought in an inconvenient forum, or that those courts do not have jurisdiction.
Bryan: If you really want to be clear you could answer yes or no, as it is a pretty straighfoward factual question with no room for judgement or anything. \
Zack .: We assumed that every customer take the time to read our End User License
Zack .: I was trying to explain this point on a better way for you
Bryan: I have read it and I understand all disputes would be handled in the UK, but I was just curious if you hold a gaming license or not.
Zack .: UK has flexible laws for On Line Gaming
Bryan: OK I guess I know what that means then. Thanks for your help.
Zack .: if at certain point you needed to approach this to anyone
Zack .: you know where to do it
Zack .: and to what authorities
Zack .: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
Bryan: No, have a great night. Thank you.
Zack .: Thank you for contacting our Customer Support! Should you have any questions or comments please do not hesitate to contact us anytime, we are here 24/7!



Dave no need to answer that last question lol. I wonder if the UK knows it has such flexible gaming laws!

Wow...

Dissolved unlicensed poker room obv is fully trustworthy and everyone who slated OP is therefore correct that anyone suspecting them is just a conspiracy nut...

Oh wait... looks more and more like he was genuinely trying to help out the poker community by bringing this up, right or not in his conclusions there is something up at Pitbull ranging from failing business and incompetence through to more sinister issues that any new player should be made aware of before it's too late.

Chesterboy.

Start here.
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...?ContentId=296

Wow I am the first person here to bash someone for all the tinfoil hat theories and superuser theories. But after reading pbdaves reply he is either a total blundering idiot that would make Full Tilt people look like Ken Jennings. Or the site is crooked...or both.

Serious this activity on their parts is rather suspicious. Unless this site is being ran out of someone's basement on some old computer I would be totally shocked if they could not handle some simple requests like hand histories.

I am not saying I believe either way. But I will never play at Pitbull Poker because I can't trust them and won't attempt to. That and if their public rep is this stupid just imagine how the rest of them might be.

Melina

Company Structure:

http://www.theflashpokernetwork.com/...k_company.html Loction Costa Rica, San Pedro.

Server Location: Panama City
http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail...ll&ab=68834473

Client (skin) PitbullPoker.com Dimensus Ltd.

Probably all the same people.

If there is cheat,then sure not out from the UK office.
Much easier to do from unregulated juristriction like flashpokernetwork's location.

It can happen.

(That was actually a split pot. Converter doesn't understand right.)

+1
Keep up the work,chesterboy and others. You will get out of it what you put in. I agree with this quoted post as well.

Dammit - now I've subscribed to the tinfoil hats as well.

whois search for the flashpokernetwork returns the following e-mail address as contact:

info@pitbullgaming.com

It appears that none of the sites using the flashpokernetwork software have a licence.

I do see a problem with the release of hand histories by the way. Generally the network operator would have access to "open" hand histories, meaning he can see all players' cards. Unlike the individual player who only sees his own cards in the hand history. When responding to hand history requests myself several years ago, we only sent out a few hands as we had to manually delete the other players' cards from the file we got from IT.

So unless all players involved in the hands agreed to have the hand histories sent out, there could be a small problem - although if the PB poker admin software has a function like "Export hand histories to show player x"... .

On the other hand Dave has made no mention if the matter has been investigated on their end and if it's since November last year, then it really could have been done.

What struck me is the fact that the two IT guys left - maybe the realised that people were on to them

lol @ pokersoftware made with flash