Yes, assuming they have some of the nice RB deals available - maybe 55% or more, they will be making $ overall.

fwiw the micro bots are still playing

Silleks
tumaser
astrapot
gaivers
judged666
guntas
archer4x4
entarion
chenbro
...
and the list goes on

Not that anyone cares (especially ipoker).

Bots on Ipoker

- Astrapot
- Monokl
- lowride72
- nasanka
- nikirina
- bataslav
- tumaser
- badtrox
- zeib
- kozladoy
- borichello
- kuzeldur
- deyer
- suronka
- ksalpo
- kevlant
- perchesko
- lenkomoff
- tauronka
- rubanka
- jonnyrey
- hitpokram
- lanxpeet
- Gaivers
- Higirl82
- Andirey
- judged666
-barel666
- Gulleks
- Silleks
- lasendr
- Kogut70
- Skrugemack
- lowakis
- rubanka
- tauronka
- hatles
- vokmal
- bolopot
- ganjababe
- demsen
- repinza

and many many more.

here a few rdm screenshots. Ipoker = Bot Network. Using the new profiles bots are able to beat the micros. Bots playing nl 2-50.



http://www.pic-upload.de/view-133124...ayers.png.html

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-135046...POKER.png.html

http://www8.pic-upload.de/01.01.12/r8wu91ee22r.png

http://www8.pic-upload.de/01.01.12/29lxdg1lmgc.png

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-11466149/Botlist.png.html

http://www10.pic-upload.de/04.04.12/8d8i9vopvtk.png

http://www10.pic-upload.de/06.03.12/fy458vzxkyv.png

The reason why 2 or more bots(mostly2) playing 1 table is collusion. There are a few Bots that stand on its own but most of them share the same database and I guess also the hole cards. I can give you a few examples:

Atm on NL 10-20 6max Ipoker:

Table Conce: Perchesko and Tauronka
Table Jedwabne: Barel666 and Lanxpeet
Table Camus: Lowride72 and Lasendr
Table Blathering: Bataslav and Astrapot
Table Honda Bay: Monokl and Bataslav
Table Nauen: Lowride72 and Andirey

Those stats are pretty compelling evidence, and the user names usually including numbers like 88 or 90 seems like a tell.

Yeah it is more than obv. Just take a look at their Screenames:

Judged666 - Barel666

Nasanka - Nikirina

Kuzeldur - Kozdaloy - Kevalant

Tauronka - Suronka - Ramdomka

Astrapot - Bolopot

Its more than obvious but Ipoker is unwilling to ban them for one reason. 1 Bot plays 100 000 Hands per month(I'm serious) and pays alot of rake. I think without Bots Ipoker would be dead. I played about 600K Hands on Ipoker and if I sort my Database by players with most hands its like 90% Bots. I cannot prove it but in my opinon this is a cooperation between the bot programmer/users and an russian affiliate because most of them are from russia. A few weeks ago there was a software update and for a short time period I was table to see the location of a few bots. 100% russia.

Silleks - Novosibirsk
vekolnik - korolev
astrapot - astrakhan
kogut70 - moscow
lasendr-kazan
andirey-kodinsk
skrugemack - lubercy
bataslav - samara

As far as I know Ipoker allows bots in their site. There is no reason to be complaining about it. Ipoker has already said the bots aren't illegal in their site plus Ipoker has their own bots to play.

Seriously? The bots are so bad, if you lose to them you wont win against proper players anyway. See them as bad, easy to exploit, players.

It doesn't matter if you can beat them or not. If the bots are winning overall they're taking money off the site which is bad for everyone, as presumably the players they're taking money off are the weaker players.

.. and raking money off the tables which hurts everyone else. This is why I suspect ipoker doesn't care + uses their own.

Instead of complaining they don't do anything, take your business elsewhere.. it's the only effective way to stop the bots.

I recently moved to ipoker for RB after the whole Stars fiasco and have played some at 10nl. I recognise a bunch of people in that DasGebuesch list, in fact I think the whole list is of people who play 10nl.

There's a couple of guys on that list who have done things I really don't think a bot would do. E.g one time I 3bet a guy a lot, he 4bet me every time and cbet near pot, after the 3rd time he lost he insta quit, if a bot is sitting there running blindly why would it leave? Another guy wont play pots with me much now, and when he does he tries to get to SD in as small a pot as possible, even will check back TP on flop.

IMO if those particular guys were bots then someone is probably sitting at the comp watching over them and intervening at times. I have observed changes in the way that they play against me and I don't think bots change their behavior.

Having said all that a bunch of guys have stats so identical that it is hard to believe they are not bots. Either way, as it is they are very exploitable and are consistent losers so just punish them as much as you can.

seriously? on nl 2-10 players start playing poker and doing things like calculating pot odds and counting outs. the new bots are the best players on
nl 10-20. if you check out the top winners in 2012 on ipoker nl 20 you see on #1 a russian grinder named filhjg and #2 bot, #3 bot, #4 bot. Ramdomka and alot of nl 20 winning bots are playing nl 10 too. Higirl82 likes to play nl 5 again. So you dont wanna tell beginners to "exploit" nl 50 winning botprofiles or? are you serious?

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-138009...snl20.png.html

Bots using different profiles but that does not change the fact, that they are still bots. A few weeks ago they changed profiles. There are several cashgame profiles. And yes a few of them dont play vs winning players like Herrpeace for example. I think even the botusers check their database to find those guys who exploit them.

Take a look at Zeib and Badtrox. Alot of people say "haha they are soo bad" but if you take a look at their winrate + paid rake and do 60% Rakeback.... Badtrox never had a winrate before nl 50. PTR shows 697 Profit and Rakepaid 15000(in fact its alot more). 15000 x 60% = 9000 USD Rakeback + 695 Winnings = 9695 USD Profit. He started on 27. October 2010. 9695 / 18months = 538 USD per month profit. So overall we can say that winning bots on nl 50 are using the same profile like those guys on nl 5-20. Due the fact that 1 bots plays 100K hands per month and there are like 200 of them you cannot claim an easy exploit here. I exploited Demsen for a long long time. I have like 120 USD on 5000K Hands vs this guy and now he is playing nl 20 with new profile and winning 5bb/100 on 200000 hands. I cant do that.. can you?


http://www7.pic-upload.de/16.04.12/ud89qxkjsuqt.png

Have any of you brought the evidence that you're presenting here to the site(s) you play on?

those bots are ran by ipoker themselves.

can you prove it?

LOL I doubt demsen is a bot, unless a bot maker decided to make him an impulsive twitchy spazztard. I think he's down double what the usual regs are. All the regs I PTRd were losers with around 1-2K losses.

Yes they are exploitable, but of course it is not an ideal or laughable situation to have them around, they simply shouldn't be allowed on the network, and although they are exploitable it takes a longer time to take their money than it would a typical fish. If ipoker wont do anything about it then you have to just deal with it and make a conscious effort to exploit the bots. Since ipoker gives such high RB they probably don't think we have much right to complain anyway.

He is. He played the same style on nl 10 for ages like 30-40 other bots. Doing the same moves etc. . I played 600 K hands on micros and you can trust me. Demsen = bot. Just buy HH for March and then compare demsen to a few other guys on nl 20. You will see - all the same. Sorry 4 bad english. They play maximum 6 Tables and make 100K Hands per month. Come on.. you don't really thinks a guy does that every month with 6 tables maximum.

so sick

There are still many many more. I'm often very confused because of their screenames.

The easiest way to detect bots on your limit is to use a tool like Tablescanner Turbo and Pokertableratings. Just filter the limit which are you playing and check out all the players on pokertableratings. I made a 3 month abonnemont on ptr to have access to stats of players(sry 4 bad english again). I can do that now for my limits NL 10-20 on Ipoker. In the end of a month you should try to list the topwinners on ipoker NL 10-20 and then sort by played hands. you will see that there are alot of players with the same amount of hands, same stats, same date of registration. And then go to pokerstars and do the same. you will see that on stars every winningplayer got his own individual stats but on ipoker you will find alot of "guys" with identical stats. Bots...

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-135046...POKER.png.html


http://www.pic-upload.de/view-132476...omoff.png.html <- here you can see 3 bots that used to play a nit style. now they all play 24/20 since january. you can see that by looking on the profit curve.

A few screenshots of NL 10 +20 right at this moment . All the smileys(and probably even more) are bots.

If there's many more, does that mean that you have a more comprehensive list?

Great work DasGebeusch. It is so obvious to anyone playing in the games that they are packed full of bots yet ipoker still deny their existence. Makes you really wonder if you can trust anything at all about the network.

I have no complete list at the moment but I know them all. Its like a 24/7 shift work what bots are doing. I could prepare a list but this will take its time.

Are you guys all use holdem manager? I have a new Ipoker Account on Celeb Poker since End of March and I played like 57000 Hands. All you have to do is
to click on "vs players" in Holdem manager(all hands) and then sort by wins/loss. So you get the guys listed which you played most.

57000 Hands in April on Ipoker NL 10. Here we go . If I would be able to play 24/7 without any sleep I bet the whole list would only be bots .



Ah here is my list for my old Ipoker account. I played like 300K hands on this account.

http://www.pic-upload.de/view-133124...ayers.png.html

Great research, this is pretty scary!

Just compare Stats and the tracked from date. The newest Bot profiles are able to Beat nl 50 SH on Ipoker and the same profile is also used on the micros.





If you do not believe that the new bot profile is able to beat nl 50 I can show you another screenshot. Its the Bot Faryatka. Faryatka never had a Winrate on NL 2-20 but since new Botupgrade he likes
to play Nl 50.

this picture was very interesting!