martin, i'm not at all knowledgeable about bots. why do players mind playing them if they're beatable?

thanks

sj

I look forward to seeing their response.

They are cheating. It is really as simple as that.

It is a win win situation for the poker room though. The bot makes them money through rake by playing for these long unbelievable stints and the bots, even though losing make money through RB when they can get a good deal like the ones offered on that site.

It would literally cost the poker rooms tens of thousands of pounds if they were to ban these players.

I think if they are accepting that these players are taught by a `poker school` then they should release a full list of players that they know about so people can choose whether to play them or not because if they are in a single sweat shop or whatever then they could easily collude against us. Obviously thats not the case though because even playing for 12 hours at a time these players dont change their style and play exactly the same poker from start to finish.

What is the story behind these schools though. I just wonder because as i pointed out in this thread last week there was one day when the bots changed their play up and about 6 of the accounts i played against(the only ones i did that day) started limping and folding 100% of the time when raised. Ive never seen one of them limp before then all of a sudden 6 of them start doing it. All seems a bit strange and what poker school lets players continuously play losing poker?

On another note does anyone know who regulates Ipoker because it may be worth going to them on this issue as well if we can get enough evidence on this.

For me William Hills response has raised more questions than answers.

One of the reasons would be that unlike us mere humans bots will never tilt, even the best of poker players can suffer from tilt(im guilty myself) so this gives them a big advantage, another reason would be that although some bots are bad they'll never give their money up easily just slowly bleed it away, that seat could have been taken by a fish instead.

Anyways keep up the good fight op.

Because it's not just about whether you or I can beat them. If they're profitable, they're draining the poker economy, taking the fish's money by cheating.

This.

It's not just a case of "oh, it's profitable, I don't care". That's the exact mentality of the people who run the bots. (And imo the non-SD and SD lines of my graph on the previous page pretty much show to an extent that a) these guys are bots and b) they are profitable)

The bottom line is, I don't like to see cheating. Personally I have no problem with bots in particular; all ipoker need to do is acknowledge in big letters on the various sites that they are a BOT FRIENDLY network; ALL BOTTERS WELCOME!!!

They wouldn't want to do this however.....because they'd lose business. The fish might not want to play if they realised the extent of the bot infestation. Following which, the bots might start losing at an unsustainable rate. Therefore ipoker use falsehoods to leverage the custom of more players, which I find unacceptable.

I'm not sure how the company is structured or what the exact relationship is between iPoker and Playtech but Playtech headquarters are on the Isle Of Man.
Source:
http://www.playtech.com/html/page/bu...e/where-are-we

Just to add to Bobos and the other good comments, we are already fighting the negative perception a lot of people have about online poker. Having bots hell bent to cheat players out of money does not help our cause regardless of how much they are winning.

Recreational players dont want to deposit money knowing they are being cheated by poker robots either. Its reasonable to believe some players will choose not to deposit knowing a site is full of bots further hurting the poker economy.

Also, dont forget that even bad botters have the potential to learn and make their bots into winners and allowing them free reign to basically play millions of hands and learn by trial and error can only expedite the learning curve.

lol just after reading this thread I have noticed few of them on my tables lol

very good. i understand better now. thanks to you and everyone who anwered.

sj

Thanks for that. Looks like Playtech operate Ipoker but it depends on where the skin is based on who the regulatory board is. If Hills happen to be based in Isle Of Man (have to check) then the Gambling Supervision Commission regulates them and the are supposedly very strict so we could have a case with them but as we know the Kahnawake Gaming Commission are very lax and we are probably wasting our time if they are governed by then.

Kinda Sad Stars & Partpoker seem like the only reliable sites I truly have confidence in. Running a poker site is literally a license to print money with the absurd rake they collect. Really strange more rooms can't operate legit and clean up shady crap like this.

I'm not accusing ipoker skins of running the bots, but they should take action if the accounts in question are actually bots. I'm getting they impression they don't care because bots in their eyes, the bots are seats filled paying rake.

out of curiosity, what happens if you win X$ from a bot, and later the site discovers that user was a bot. does the site claim your funds are illgotten because the bot was playing fraudulently?

On the same subject: have you ever tried action poker?, definitely 50% of the players are bots in my opinion.

I've never heard of that happening.