I have played some NL20 HU on ipoker last few days and discovered several usernames that are bots.

They have exact stats and tendencies.

They may sit at 4 tables waiting $ and € and some times even £.
If you profit vs them they will after a while sitout.
They will however play you on any other table and to the same again.
They sitout for about an hour until they resume at a new or same table.

I cannot collect more data at this moment because they INSTAsitout (faster than humanly possible).
Even the usernames that I have never played does this.

This site does not provaide that many stats, i have more detailed at my comp, but alarm bells should go off:

http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/wurstbeer/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/jehonalla/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play...ts/1r1shgr33n/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play...ts/dusttodirt/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play.../aleksandra4u/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-player-stats/anettchen/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play...s/no2nickname/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play...s/megaviphere/
http://www.poker-edge.com/poker-play...s/rukiinahari/

I'm sure there are more of these. The programmer must have created an account on each of the skins.

Personally I wish I could play them all day long since they have a pretty exploitable style, but they seem to clear up the fish very fast.

One example is that they will always c/c flop as preflop aggressor with AK, AQ if they miss. And then call down turn and river if bets are below 50% sized.

once you play these guys enough you can just break down there games and print money against them... seriously.

Obviously, but when they INSTA sitout every time you enter the table it's pretty annoying.

It's iPoker, you can change skins and get basically infinite screenname's. If I was a 20nl HU player and these bots were as easy to beat as they should be (not knowingly played a bot before, so don't really know). You could get a new site each month, get a new deposit bonus, and just bum hunt the bots till there busto. You will also generate alot of Karma$$ for busting cheaters

Very true. However, I did report them.

I have been accused of being a bot at least 20 times..... Apparerently i'm not a bot lol..... seriosuly if you suspect foul or otherwise unethical play, why do you keep playing their? It makes no sense to me at all to stay at some third rate site when you can go to poker stars and play your money ethically but lose every hand you play unless you are a 3 to 1 dog or worse lol

Spelling the word 'there' as T-H-E-I-R also makes no sense.

Would the fact someone is making money not be a fairly obvious reason for them to keep playing where there is unethical play?

Why moan and groan if you are exploiting these so called bots? Good luck in your spellament as well!

Bots are making money, yes? (If you think the answer is no, then please explain why people are running bots which lose money.)

Therefore, bots are taking money from other players, money which should be being won by genuine players who are playing within the rules.


Also, I'm not sure I am exploiting any bots, I'm not even sure if I'm playing against any.

What was the 'spellament' comment all about?

People start and run businesses that fail all the time despite their expectations that they will suceed. Just look at retail, food and service stores that constantly come and go. Just because a bot exists doesn't mean it's must be profitable

People are under the illusion these bots are turnkey insta money making machines. These bots take hundreds if not thousands of hours to make run properly and even then the bot only runs as good as the person programming it. This makes them extremely exploitable! A lot of people who buy these bots give up on them after thousands of dollars in micro table investments and realize there not insta cash so the answer to your question is no they all don't make cash. So again, if the site does nothing why play there? There's money to be made everywhere and it may just be the site running the bots who knows but if their integrity is in question cash out and move on imo.

Just wanted to pop in a say a couple things as I have been playing in these games recently also and can confirm most everything MartL has said.

1) It is absolutely against the terms and conditions, this is straight from William Hill.

2) One hilarious way to exploit them at a six max table is to have the other players sit out so you can play them HU. Normally the bots will leave when the games get <4handed but if there are players in the seats but sitting out it won't recognize this. I played a guy for 1/2hr the other laughing my arse off as he played HU with a 20%vpip. Unfortunately this situation is very difficult to manufacture

You seriously can't figure out that was referring to your silly their/there comment?

I'm not a user on the iPoker network, but I am convinced the OP and all the others chiming in here are probably correct that these most likely are bots. And with 32 skins it seems that it would be quite easy to multi-account, so a small group could run a large fleet of bots. Or as someone suggested these are "leased out" to different users or whatever.

But the question I would be asking at some point: If the network has clearly published T&C that prohibit this activity, and seems to do nothing about the many substantive complaints from users (I'm assuming lots of this data has been included to corroborate the complaints), then why would we want to play on this network and entrust them with our funds?

It is not that big a leap to extrapolate their behavior, in other words could their seeming indifference to this violation possibly include many more serious and potentially fraudulent activities on their site. The UB scandal from a few years ago comes to mind, as do the Black Friday indictments on the big 3 poker sites. Are we not aware and cautious even now?

I believe this network is licensed by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission (AGCC) so that is where I would escalate my complaints. They have the authority to investigate and suspend the site's license to operate.

Go to PokerStars or some of the other big European sites, I wish I could get back on Stars, but even so I found some decent sites to play on from the US.

I know I would not trust a site that was so indifferent to this type of activity, regardless of the exploitability of the bots. As several posters mentioned, new players can lose to these things. That is not good for poker, and not good for the community worldwide.

We wonder why online poker has a tarnished reputation, especially here in the US? Do not tolerate fraudulent activity on your poker sites, even if it is not harming you directly.

/soapbox speech

I have 2 hands as proof that I was playing versus bot. I want to posting it here but I dont have HM/PT and dont know how to convert it to readable format. Anyone can help?

im really interested to see how your 2 hands are proof of these bots, someone give this man the answer he needs

I was talking about this in my PGC thread the other day and some random came in and started bragging about his BE $2nl bot and how one day it was going to make him $900/day. The post are deleted now (I assume by a mod as my reply is gone too and I didn't do it, Bobo if you are still reading could you please confirm this is the case and the reason?) but I managed to save some code he posted before it was edited.

This guy claimed there was bot available that could read HUD stats from HEM and adjust it's strategy to avoid being exploited. I'm not convinced, certainly these uNL iPoker bots don't (I have a 35% 3b vs them lol), but a bit worrying if true...

Here is the code. doesn't mean anything to me but maybe someone with programming skills can make something of it?

There's a convertor built into 2p2 but if it's not working try this just paste the raw HH in then copy/past the output into this thread.

Hey Choice, Ive actually heard of Bots that can read HUD stats but we are talking about bots that cost people tens of thousands of pounds to buy and can play undetected at sites like pokerstars that are very strict on that sort of thing. I had a forum address somewhere that was basically for bot users but unlike the other forum its was open to users of different bots. If i find it i will pass it on, i think they make really interesting reads.

I think most of us realise the big infestation on Ipoker is the Shanky bot and its clear they arnt willing to do anything about it. Im not playing much at the moment so i may just go ahead and post a lot of their tendancies so everyone can start to exploit them as if they start losing money after RB then they will probably just quit.

Takes four regs that are willing to sitout and one to play him HU. Who is with me milking bots on sunday?

I've just discovered this thread, although I've suspected a bot infestation for quite some time. I'm toying around with "nanotex" at the moment, trying to get a seat next to him/her (i don't know what sex robots are) on as many tables and 4 bet light in the SB. Seems to be profitable so far.

Any bot this good would be a prototype that the owner would probably not sell it and it could beat real stakes ie 100 NL or higher. I suspect these bots are out but only a few are around and the owner isn't sharing them with anyone except if the figures for payment were high.

Its still cheating...

anyone know "need80kfast" or "need100kfast" ?..both have the same avatar aswell..it could be pure concidence but whats going on lately on ipoker i dont think so.

Could just be the same player on two skins? unless you've seen bottish tendencies?