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04-05-2010 , 12:55 AM
And I thought the idiot stories couldn't get more pathetic.

Yep go ahead riggies, keep slandering people who are looking out for the game's best interests and ignoring all logic because you can't deal with your own failures. That doesn't make you scummy at all.
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04-05-2010 , 12:56 AM
i didnt even read the post second post above me before i wrote that ftp has just tweaked there rng for those tonight some onecheck them out some thing is a misss
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04-05-2010 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
Im not saying Tilt is "rigged" per se. But there is something most definitely wrong when all the $$ goes into the middle b4 the flop. Id be willing to bet a huge amt of $$ on this. Pay particular attention to the suck/resucks AND the lesser hand flopping a ton of outs going to the turn and river and always missing.
I'd be happy to take this bet - on your own hand histories that you have already played. I'd be willing to wager that the results are within two standard deviations from normal.

I don't know how the FTP hand history system works - is there a method to verify that the HHs are unaltered/provided directly by FTP?
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04-05-2010 , 01:01 AM
all in 28 i doubled up then then aa crac ked by j9 and i dont make money to another loss after
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04-05-2010 , 01:03 AM
can someone will a math back round that isnt shill confirm i just won the lotery odds wise?
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04-05-2010 , 01:07 AM
I started a spreadsheet tonight to prove to myself that either I'm suffering from selective memory or something else is occurring. Every time I predict losing a hand to be knocked out of a tournament, it will be logged in this spreadsheet. Predictions will only count if I'm either a favorite to win or the hole cards are yet unknown. Wouldn't be very fair if I knew I were a 20/80 dog and predicted a loss.

So far I'm 1 for 1.

On the bubble, button, shortstacked, A6o shove. SB calls with KQs. Prediction made on sight of the hole cards preflop (53.717% equity). Q on turn knocks me out.
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04-05-2010 , 01:09 AM
can some one confirm what i told you about 28 all ins is possible?
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04-05-2010 , 01:20 AM
well fact remains 28 all ins pre flop ahead 21 of the 28 lost 27 straight won on number 28 that should sound alarms offf
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04-05-2010 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
I started a spreadsheet tonight to prove to myself that either I'm suffering from selective memory or something else is occurring. Every time I predict losing a hand to be knocked out of a tournament, it will be logged in this spreadsheet. Predictions will only count if I'm either a favorite to win or the hole cards are yet unknown. Wouldn't be very fair if I knew I were a 20/80 dog and predicted a loss.

So far I'm 1 for 1.

On the bubble, button, shortstacked, A6o shove. SB calls with KQs. Prediction made on sight of the hole cards preflop (53.717% equity). Q on turn knocks me out.
How is this significant? And we're supposed to just take your word that the split second between the time you see your opponents cards and the time it takes for the board to be dealt you somehow are going to make a decision as to whether you're going to win or not?

This is just sad man.
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04-05-2010 , 01:25 AM
pooflinger, normal people go and post in bbv to tell stories about how they won or lost. No one here cares about whether you happened to win a coinflip or not. Those of us who play poker see it happen dozens of time today.

It's only the intellectually bankrupt who blame their losses on a bizarre massive international conspiracy.
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04-05-2010 , 01:26 AM
i have lost 2 80/20s in last 20 hands sense last post
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04-05-2010 , 01:27 AM
josem you guys cry you want numbers well there ya go stick those numbers up your database
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04-05-2010 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
I started a spreadsheet tonight to prove to myself that either I'm suffering from selective memory or something else is occurring. Every time I predict losing a hand to be knocked out of a tournament, it will be logged in this spreadsheet. Predictions will only count if I'm either a favorite to win or the hole cards are yet unknown. Wouldn't be very fair if I knew I were a 20/80 dog and predicted a loss.

So far I'm 1 for 1.

On the bubble, button, shortstacked, A6o shove. SB calls with KQs. Prediction made on sight of the hole cards preflop (53.717% equity). Q on turn knocks me out.

Scared money loses. And that's more true than your silly little conspiracy.
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04-05-2010 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeinyonkers
2) Pay particular attention to the suck/resucks. Now seriously..I dont give a rats ass if you play a bajillion hands....this is probably the most telling feature. Its all for the drama. Ex..a9 against aq...9 flop...q on turn or river. I cant tell you how many of these Ive seen....its uncanny. I dont mind seeing suckouts...but THERE ARE TOO MANY OF SUCK/RESUCKS.
The suck/resucks occurred quite often in a heads-up study I did with a friend of mine. What was alarming about them was the number of times it would shift. There were a few hands where I was ahead preflop, they took the lead on the flop, I regained the lead on the turn, and they sucked out on the river. Much more common were the 2 shifts. Whomever was behind preflop took the lead on the flop and then lost it again on either the turn or river. Can't prove much with such a small sample of hands, but it seems pretty evident that the suck/resuck occurs regardless of if the chips are in the middle before the flop or not. Incidentally, we checked down every single hand during the study. Only took about 25 hands to get to a hand that would have ended a normal match. Nut flush vs. 2nd nut flush with only 3 of the suit on the non-paired board.
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04-05-2010 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
josem you guys cry you want numbers well there ya go stick those numbers up your database

Josem seems like a pretty solid dude considering he has to deal with more of you idiots than any of us have to. Even though it's his job, that job does not include babysitting you ******s!
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04-05-2010 , 01:45 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
How is this significant? And we're supposed to just take your word that the split second between the time you see your opponents cards and the time it takes for the board to be dealt you somehow are going to make a decision as to whether you're going to win or not?

This is just sad man.
Believe what you will. I'm not proving it to you, but to me. And, yes, it was quite easy to not only make a decision, but to verbally utter it to an onlooker before the flop cards appeared on the screen.
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04-05-2010 , 01:51 AM
one day there will be justice for the pain and suffering i was brought by ftp .
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04-05-2010 , 01:58 AM
I cant wait for the day when i come in here after full tilt is busted for being a rigged cheat scum site and all you shills dont respond to anyone
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04-05-2010 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
Scared money loses. And that's more true than your silly little conspiracy.
What conspiracy? I'm saying something is wrong if I can predict losing hands. I'm not saying xyz pokersite is out to steal my money.

I'm also at a loss on what scared money has to do with anything I've said. Would scared money shove A6o into the blinds that have him covered while on the bubble? I'm thinking not. It was the correct move given the stack size, blind level, hand strength, and calling ranges of the villains.
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04-05-2010 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn
What conspiracy? I'm saying something is wrong if I can predict losing hands. I'm not saying xyz pokersite is out to steal my money.

I'm also at a loss on what scared money has to do with anything I've said. Would scared money shove A6o into the blinds that have him covered while on the bubble? I'm thinking not. It was the correct move given the stack size, blind level, hand strength, and calling ranges of the villains.

Conspiracy was a bad word. I meant your "story" about predicting cards to come (or outcomes of hands). This is impossible and you're not being smart if you actually think you can do this with any certainty.

And as far as scared money goes, it's when you put money in and you think you're going to lose. Or, just thinking you're going to lose in general. It's not a very good mentality to have in poker.
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04-05-2010 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by smithcommajohn

So far I'm 1 for 1.

On the bubble, button, shortstacked, A6o shove. SB calls with KQs. Prediction made on sight of the hole cards preflop (53.717% equity). Q on turn knocks me out.
So you predicted a coinflip. Maybe you should save the spreadsheet for a realistic examination of you hand histories. When you find something there then show it. Do you have hem or pokertracker?
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04-05-2010 , 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
Josem seems like a pretty solid dude considering he has to deal with more of you idiots than any of us have to. Even though it's his job, that job does not include babysitting you ******s!
You don't have to deal with any of the so-called idiots, you choose to. Why? God only knows. Maybe it makes you feel better about losing at online poker (which you confessed to awhile back).
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04-05-2010 , 02:11 AM
Your story reminded me of Roulette dealers that thought they could hit any section of the wheel that they wanted to. NOT!!! Funny thing is that they'd never put any money on it. They also didn't know that my dad was a Roulette dealer for 50 years. If he couldn't do it, no one could!

Last edited by LVGambler; 04-05-2010 at 02:18 AM.
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04-05-2010 , 02:12 AM
there should be a thread for only people that think its rigged these shills just derail any evidence and are keeping people off track to solving the biggest scam of the century
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04-05-2010 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ILikeBeer
So you predicted a coinflip. Maybe you should save the spreadsheet for a realistic examination of you hand histories. When you find something there then show it. Do you have hem or pokertracker?
I use PT3 for tracking, yes. What precisely should I be looking for on it? The "How many times did I get knocked out as the favorite?" report?

Predicting one coin flip is certainly nothing amazing. Should happen about 47% of the time (in this case) by sheer chance. If I'm able to do it consistently, then we have something more interesting. I'm even being fair about it by starting after the cries of "selective memory" to be certain that no hands have been left out.
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