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Old 07-23-2008, 12:27 AM   #76
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

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Schubert1 has 15 seconds left to act
Schubert1 bets 2,045, and is all in
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Schubert1 shows [Kc Kh]
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*** TURN *** [Td 6d Kd] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Td 6d Kd 5c] [Th]
Schubert1 shows a full house, Kings full of Tens
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acepokerman1234 wins the pot (6,310) with four of a kind, Tens
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:34 AM   #77
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Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.

Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.

I can't tell you how many times (at least 100 times the past thee weeks) where someone needs one card, especially two or three hours into a tournament, and they hit when odds are 90 to 95% in my favor.

You tell yourself that's poker until it happens time after time after time.

I enjoy playing poker online but I'm about ready to give it up. There doesn't seem to be a site to where it plays out like a casino. You see bad beats in a casino but NOTHING like Full Tilt and Poker Stars back when I played over on that site.

Curious as to others observations. Is there a site that's on the up and up or is it time to retire from online poker where you start to get the feeling the deck literally is stacked against you?

I think FTP is rigged towards T.V. and live pros, so, many of the top online pros go to pokerstars. Therefore, the second tier of pros don't want to get eaten up by the top tier so they like FTP. So, there's the 25-50 to 1-2 grinders on FTP, when more of the extra money on there goes to promoting offline pros at poker after dark and their books. And more of pokerstars extra money goes to online otherwise unknowns to mass attack the WSOP main event and they even create a lot of tourneys in Asia and other places for the online top tier. FTP is more a house of the mediocre, middle-of-the-roaders. Pokerstars has micro and macro mega players, the best and worst.

Is the hand play rigged, I don't think so, but, the aberrations seem strange sometimes and if anything it seems like there are a lot better hands dealt. All the people who make money from affiliations with online poker assure me that the deal is perfect. Personally, if I want to feel better about the deal online I look at some live hand history's and all the bad beats there to get perspective. I guess I had a hole in my game of over betting if I flopped
two pair. I once lost 5 of 6 hands where i flopped two pair in row on another site. So, that bad beat aberration showed me a hole in my game.


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Old 07-23-2008, 12:38 AM   #78
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Schubert1 shows [Kc Kh]
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*** TURN *** [Td 6d Kd] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Td 6d Kd 5c] [Th]
Schubert1 shows a full house, Kings full of Tens
acepokerman1234 shows four of a kind, Tens
acepokerman1234 wins the pot (6,310) with four of a kind, Tens
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So are we going to bet money on this now please?
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:01 AM   #79
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

howzabout we just have a "2+2 Rigged Conspiracy Theories" Forum and not pretend that these folks have anything genuine to contribute anymore?

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Old 07-23-2008, 01:35 AM   #80
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looks about right to me!
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Old 07-23-2008, 01:40 AM   #81
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Someone take a look at my sharkscope graph. Almost on cue, after every 750 games I play go on a downswing. It's like they see that I'm winning too much a flip the switch on me for a few days where I breakeven/lose, then back to normal again. Normally I'm not one to jump on the "online poker is rigged" bandwagon but I won't even play hold'em cash games anymore because of how badly I am coolered every time I play. I mean honestly, it is really possible to run KK into AA every session you play?? (oh and I only play 2-3 tables at a time for about an hour or two) I'm not exaggerating either...if I were to play 3 tables for 2 hours, GUARENTEE I run KK into AA (i'd bet money on it).
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Old 07-23-2008, 04:21 AM   #82
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I'm far from being a luckbox, and it's far from being standard. Yes maybe it happens all the time to somebody somewhere, but then so does getting run over by a car. Do you consider that standard?

You get dealt aces on average once every 221 hands.

Assuming you ran into a smaller pair everytime which you don't the odds of losing 6 in a row is 15625-1.

So for every 3453125 hands played (221 x 15625) it will on average happen at least once.

For somebody it could happen in their first 10000 hands, while somebody else might have to play 10 million before it happens, but on average it would happen every 3.4 million hands for each person. As most people won't even play close to that number of hands in their lifetime I expect most people will never have it happen to them.
I, in my fr1st pr0st, contest your interpretation of the odds. The chance of having all six of a set of six pocket aces be cracked by a lower pocket pair is 15,625:1. The probability of being dealt a pocket pair is approximately 5.9% or 16:1 against. Therefore in a 9-handed ring game, when you are dealt AA, the chance that exactly one of your opponents has a pocket pair is approximately 3.8% or 24:1. The chance that two opponents have a pocket pair is, ~0.2% or ~500:1, which can be safely neglected. So, for one in every 221 hands, you'll be dealt AA. For every 25 of those, your opponent will be dealt a smaller pocket pair. Thus, one will have AA against a smaller pocket pair about once in every 5500 hands.

That should happen six times after around 33,000 hands. Now, the fun part. Statistically, in order for you to take AA against any inferior pair six times and have it cracked every time... you'd have to play over half-a-billion hands.

For perspective, let's say I'm 12-tabling at 100 hands/hour. To play half a billion hands... to have AA cracked six consecutive times by another pair... I'd have to sit here playing constantly until the year 2055. If I wanted to take the more conservative route, 12 hour days, it'd take me into
the 22nd century.

(I sure hope I got all that math right.)

So, in conclusion, if the OP can provide some sort of solid evidence that he had AA cracked six-consecutive times, I would be forced to conclude that FTP is rigged, barring some ancillary computation.

So I challenge thee, Mr. Selection-Bias the Conspiracy Theorist, to provide some hand history. Hell, I'd take six times you had AA cracked by another pocket pair, period.
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:00 AM   #83
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Full Tilt is not rigged at all. In fact , I think its the most legit on the planet. For my money , it just doesn't get any better then full tilt. The caring, efficient customer service and quick, easy payouts just cant be beat ! Not to mention the lifelike flops, turns, and especially rivers. Great action ! Sometimes I forget I'm online, and think I'm in a real B&M casino! I love full Tilt ! It cant be beat !

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^^^^^^^^^^
Oh. I get it - that's sarcasm.

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Old 07-23-2008, 07:10 AM   #85
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you have to remember that the bigger the pot the rake stays the same so there is no reason for a site to do that, then again what i just said is wrong. Superusers never existed and let's face it full tilt is very upfront about the auditing of there rng, then again that isn't true as well. in 1980 the daily number wasn't fixed, notions that it could ever be done are false...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Pe...ottery_scandal
LOL I knew it was only going to be a matter of time until I saw you chime in on this thread scorer. Would you say 25% of your thousands of posts whine about FTP's rng by now? Or have you made enough posts asking for people's ptbb rate to help lower that percentage?

Never understood the people that choose spend a significant amount of time every day coming up with unfounded conspiracy theories. If you have that much of a lack of trust in a person or a company, you'd think you'd just not play there.

It really isn't difficult to datamine on FTP. So if you're so damn sure there's a problem with it, just start compiling hands and do a statistical analysis.

As I've said numerous times.....proof or gtfo. You want an audit so badly, audit it yourself. It's really not that difficult. I was an auditor for four years. I'd even write up the audit program...but you'd probably say that's rigged too.
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:14 AM   #86
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*** TURN *** [Td 6d Kd] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Td 6d Kd 5c] [Th]
Schubert1 shows a full house, Kings full of Tens
acepokerman1234 shows four of a kind, Tens
acepokerman1234 wins the pot (6,310) with four of a kind, Tens
Schubert1 stands up
Wow, I've never seen a 4.34% shot happen ever. I mean that's proof right there. Any time a 1 out of 23 hits, something is so totally wrong. Proof of riggedness. /thread
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:23 AM   #87
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^^^^^^^^^^
Oh. I get it - that's sarcasm.

LOL ! You are really extremely funny and quite clever too ! I'll bet you are very popular with all the guys !
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I am. Ask your dad.
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:49 AM   #89
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I, in my fr1st pr0st, contest your interpretation of the odds. The chance of having all six of a set of six pocket aces be cracked by a lower pocket pair is 15,625:1. The probability of being dealt a pocket pair is approximately 5.9% or 16:1 against. Therefore in a 9-handed ring game, when you are dealt AA, the chance that exactly one of your opponents has a pocket pair is approximately 3.8% or 24:1. The chance that two opponents have a pocket pair is, ~0.2% or ~500:1, which can be safely neglected. So, for one in every 221 hands, you'll be dealt AA. For every 25 of those, your opponent will be dealt a smaller pocket pair. Thus, one will have AA against a smaller pocket pair about once in every 5500 hands.

That should happen six times after around 33,000 hands. Now, the fun part. Statistically, in order for you to take AA against any inferior pair six times and have it cracked every time... you'd have to play over half-a-billion hands.

For perspective, let's say I'm 12-tabling at 100 hands/hour. To play half a billion hands... to have AA cracked six consecutive times by another pair... I'd have to sit here playing constantly until the year 2055. If I wanted to take the more conservative route, 12 hour days, it'd take me into
the 22nd century.

(I sure hope I got all that math right.)

So, in conclusion, if the OP can provide some sort of solid evidence that he had AA cracked six-consecutive times, I would be forced to conclude that FTP is rigged, barring some ancillary computation.

So I challenge thee, Mr. Selection-Bias the Conspiracy Theorist, to provide some hand history. Hell, I'd take six times you had AA cracked by another pocket pair, period.
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:56 AM   #90
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Is this thread over yet
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:15 AM   #92
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Someone take a look at my sharkscope graph. Almost on cue, after every 750 games I play go on a downswing. It's like they see that I'm winning too much a flip the switch on me for a few days where I breakeven/lose, then back to normal again. Normally I'm not one to jump on the "online poker is rigged" bandwagon but I won't even play hold'em cash games anymore because of how badly I am coolered every time I play. I mean honestly, it is really possible to run KK into AA every session you play?? (oh and I only play 2-3 tables at a time for about an hour or two) I'm not exaggerating either...if I were to play 3 tables for 2 hours, GUARENTEE I run KK into AA (i'd bet money on it).
If i'm correct then running your KK into AA at a 6-max table is about 40:1 against. So every 40-th or 41-st (not sure but smth like that) time you have kings you run into aces- it's that simple. And if the table is super tight you better expect aces if someone is 4betting you pf.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:16 AM   #93
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Is this thread over yet
No, because it's been rigged to keep going.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:26 AM   #94
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No, because it's been rigged to keep going.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:39 AM   #95
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I, in my fr1st pr0st, contest your interpretation of the odds. The chance of having all six of a set of six pocket aces be cracked by a lower pocket pair is 15,625:1. The probability of being dealt a pocket pair is approximately 5.9% or 16:1 against. Therefore in a 9-handed ring game, when you are dealt AA, the chance that exactly one of your opponents has a pocket pair is approximately 3.8% or 24:1. The chance that two opponents have a pocket pair is, ~0.2% or ~500:1, which can be safely neglected. So, for one in every 221 hands, you'll be dealt AA. For every 25 of those, your opponent will be dealt a smaller pocket pair. Thus, one will have AA against a smaller pocket pair about once in every 5500 hands.

That should happen six times after around 33,000 hands. Now, the fun part. Statistically, in order for you to take AA against any inferior pair six times and have it cracked every time... you'd have to play over half-a-billion hands.

For perspective, let's say I'm 12-tabling at 100 hands/hour. To play half a billion hands... to have AA cracked six consecutive times by another pair... I'd have to sit here playing constantly until the year 2055. If I wanted to take the more conservative route, 12 hour days, it'd take me into
the 22nd century.

(I sure hope I got all that math right.)

So, in conclusion, if the OP can provide some sort of solid evidence that he had AA cracked six-consecutive times, I would be forced to conclude that FTP is rigged, barring some ancillary computation.

So I challenge thee, Mr. Selection-Bias the Conspiracy Theorist, to provide some hand history. Hell, I'd take six times you had AA cracked by another pocket pair, period.
ok well just let me point out some blaring miscalculations you performed although the chances are approximately 1 in 214 to get any pocketpair you are doing your calculatons in that before the cards are even dealt the chances of you having those 6 instances happen in a row (without winning any by not getting called with a worse hand becuase your oppents seem to have figured out how to throw away a losing hand) you also made the calculations based upon having it litteraly happen six hands in a row i dobut you had absolutely no other hands (win or lose) in between these losing hands but as soon as you look down at those pocket aces you have a far better chance to lose with them than just doing the numbers of the probiblity of you getting them and losing before the cards are even dealt

SO AS SOON AS YOU SEE THE PAIR OF ACES YOUR ODDS OF LOSING ARE STILL THERE

(i might add that any ace always seems to have the amazing ability to make bad players play worse which must be magic)

The chance of losing to a another pocket pair with aces is 1/5

so 6 times in row = 5 to the 6th = 1 in 15625

now does that seem impossible? you also forget that much like roulette the past outcomes have no effect on the future out comes because if the past outcomes DID effect the future outcomes it WOULD be rigged

i know it must seem complicated to you but as soon as you see your pocket pair the odds of anyone else at the table getting a pocket pair go up to about 5.8% per player because that just the way the numbers work

so if you feel those cards are rigged and that a 50%+ preflop win rateing even against 2 or more other players is just not enough feel free to muck em you won't see me complaining

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Old 07-23-2008, 08:45 AM   #96
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I love how there first post to the forum is to complain about how unlucky they are. Dont worry i've lost against a set last night 6x within 1k hands. Pretty sick? I also managed to beat AA with KK with a set within 50 hands of each other. Pretty sick?
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you know what this thread needs? photoshop.

and boobies.

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and boobies.

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i have very mixed feelings when i see brandi's boobies. then i scroll down so i can't see her head and everything's better...
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