That will not be enough help, and he will just say he is indifferent to it if we give it.

I mean...

It takes the ability to understand things to figure that out. Jungmit obviously isn't qualified to do anything. I am surprised he manages to breath.

96÷6=16

ive havent experienced evidence of any kind of superusing but with no real evidence other than intuition lol i am certain that bovada/ignition deals more pocket pairs and facecards preflop and flops with face cards in zone poker. ( they do this obv. to create more action and rake in their biggest rake generating games of coarse, any dummy can see this)

i called support and complained about ,even with everyone folding 85% of there range pre flop in zone poker their would still be a **** load of flops with no action but Nooo. i swear id be hard pressed to find a zone hand history without a face card on the flop. support said " it deals how it deals". to me intentionally sounding cryptic.

ive adjusted my range and a few other things to my half baked theory and seem to be doing better. ( but lets be honest if their were any cheating going on zone is where it would be) although i dont think there is actually cheating from a players perspecting just shady poker sites increasing their edge alittle.

What up? The suspense is killing me.

LOL

The point is - you can do stuff if you try really hard.

Not only have you answered a question for the first time in this thread, but you also did an easy sum to get to the correct answer.

Originally, I intended to walk you through a few more simple sums, one at a time, to get you to work out for yourself, say, how often your AK should be beaten, after which you would realise that such calculations are pretty goldurned easy if you just take them one step at a time.

Then, as it took so much effort to get you to answer the first simple question, I decided that it wasn't worth the hassle to try to help you until you at least show even a tad of interest in wanting to be helped.

Well, the first test was hardly fair as it did require him to determine what number was between 15 and 17, and that requires not just fingers but also toes to do the proper calculation. That it took him less than a week should be considered promising in a way.

Despite that, one cannot realistically assume he will ever understand something like how often AK should lose, but one can try a more advanced test.

jungmit - can you name a whole number that falls between 256 and 259? Hint, there are two possible answers.

Baby steps...

Jungmit, 3x/2= 15. Find x.

I can probably teach this kind of math to my cat in less than a week.

If the equation is too hard to solve, then 16-6=x. What is x ?

10. I still don't how this relates to anything

So now I have to claim that u don't understand what I amnsayin then. I never did my AK for beaten more or less then it should. I said since day 1 the hands win the amount of times they should win. I said 2 things
1. Everything online happens in streaks. Example I just won 15 times inna row with pocket aces. At some point I expect to lose 3 or 4 times in a row
2. I believe they deal bigger hands at the same time to 2 or more people at the table to keep games interesting.
With all that I still believe your jacks will win the amount of times they are supposed as will every other hand.

If the "streak rig" were true, then patterns would have emerged and they would've easily been detected by now. And those good at stats/maths would have been able to use this to their advantage for billions of dollars because they would know when the "losing streak" will occur and of course when the "winning" streak will occur.


If you are saying that you do not know when the "streak" will occur, then you are basically describing ( in your own weird way ) randomness. An algorithm/rig that causes streaks to occur cannot be implemented without leaving patterns behind.


In regards to dealing bigger hands to people more often than normal, you should refer to the exercise that Mike put you up to. Every poker hand ( in this case big hands: aces, kings, queens or whatever you consider to be a big hand ) is expected to be dealt a certain amount of times in a sample size. If they tamper with this it will get detected in a snap of the finger. Unless of course you suggest they randomly choose one hand in a million every Easter in which they give aces kings queens jacks and a pair of tens to the ninth player. And have the tens win of course by hitting quads.

But any slightly significant change in the holecards dealt would not go by unnoticed.

Of course you will not agree with this and stick to : "streak rig".

Thus, let's practice elementary math more. Can you give me 5 examples of prime numbers between 1 and 100 ?

How could they detect if a site dealt say bigger hands at the same time? For example sites deal u axes the exact amount of times it should and someone else gets queens Tuesday amount it should bit what if we find that they care dealing aces vs queens a Lot at the same time. Won over 10,000 hands u for axes 220 times some got queens 220 times but what if they we're dealt against bigger hands more then they should be? Now tell me anyone who has done a study on that? It would be impossible with out having a huge sample which would need to include every players hands at the while table

English, use it. My drunk posts are several orders of magnitude better than this crap.

Also axes.

Mhm, my aramaic skills are a bit dusty but I am going to attempt to decipher this.

You seem to be moving your attention to holecards now. The streak rig is over ?

Okay, I am endorsing the idea that if a site decides to pick some players and put them into some sticky situations ( aces vs queens for example ) like you describe more often than normal, that they could get away with it.

But the question is what is the limit that they do not have to cross so that the rig doesn't become obvious ? They cannot do it systematically as the traffic is too big ( I presume we're only talking about big sites ) and then they have to figure out to what extent they can do this. And whatever the specific answer is, it will be not worth the risk they would take if they get caught. What's the god damn point to risk my entire multi million/billion dollar business so that I can from time to time give some targeted players ( again, they can't do this systematically ) aces against queens ? And to what avail ? I'm not sure it is going to bring me more rake. And how do I select the players ?


Moreover, you seem to be missing the point. Every hand in poker has a certain expectancy to be dealt over a sample size. How can they put big hands over big hands so often and nobody being able to detect them over a huge sample size ? They can't deal A K vs A A everytime, they can't deal K K vs Q Q everytime.

And for each time they deal Q Q vs a **** hand they lose a scenario in which they can set up Q Q vs K K as they cannot erase Q Q vs a **** hand from the database.

If somehow the poker sites have managed to secretly reinvent statistics, then I believe your theory makes more sense.

If your writing was a little bit more intelligible and you were a little bit more clear with what you mean, then maybe we can have a serious discussion about this but up until now ( as far as I can tell )you are either a troll or you are simply refusing to see why your ideas of a rig are nonsense.

Extreme example. Hand 1 aces vs queens vs kings vs jacks vs tens vs 99.
Hands 2 thru 219crap
Hands 221 aces vs kings v queens vs jacks vs tens vs nines and different players got each hand this time ar the same table. All hands dealt to the percentage they are supposed to be, but all dealt at the same time. Obviously extreme

You are incredible, dude. I often hear people complaining they don't get enough action with kings or aces. You seem to differ.

For your rig to work, you need to track each player from your site ( again, you cannot implement it systematically as you will leave certain patterns ) and manipulate the deal in so many ways that will eventually get off from a statistical point of view and will get discovered.

And again, why do this ?

P.S. Try harder on the intelligible part.

Perhaps these hands will help with the theory

AA vs KK vs QQ vs QQ


PokerStars Game #51917536818: Tournament #337010516, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2010/10/30 16:26:00 ET
Table '337010516 435' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: michi1510 (12501 in chips)
Seat 2: Dene-tzazy (32777 in chips)
Seat 3: Comandante12 (8795 in chips)
Seat 4: Monteroy (8145 in chips)
Seat 5: tyber181 (9397 in chips)
Seat 6: jimpou69 (6302 in chips)
Seat 7: kunoz (13797 in chips)
Seat 8: aj2571 (10115 in chips)
Seat 9: compodura (17349 in chips)
michi1510: posts the ante 25
Dene-tzazy: posts the ante 25
Comandante12: posts the ante 25
Monteroy: posts the ante 25
tyber181: posts the ante 25
jimpou69: posts the ante 25
kunoz: posts the ante 25
aj2571: posts the ante 25
compodura: posts the ante 25
aj2571: posts small blind 150
compodura: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [Ad As]
michi1510: folds
Dene-tzazy: calls 300
Comandante12: raises 600 to 900
Monteroy: raises 1200 to 2100
tyber181: raises 7272 to 9372 and is all-in
jimpou69: calls 6277 and is all-in
kunoz: folds
aj2571: folds
compodura: folds
Dene-tzazy: folds
Comandante12: calls 7870 and is all-in
Monteroy: calls 6020 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (602) returned to tyber181
*** FLOP *** [8h 7s 6s]
*** TURN *** [8h 7s 6s] [9c]
kunoz said, "sickkkk"
*** RIVER *** [8h 7s 6s 9c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Comandante12: shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
tyber181: shows [Qd Qh] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
Comandante12 collected 1300 from side pot-2
Monteroy: shows [Ad As] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
Monteroy collected 5529 from side pot-1
jimpou69: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
Comandante12 said, "funny deal"
Monteroy collected 26083 from main pot
jimpou69 finished the tournament in 3494th place
barba311 is connected



and of course AA vs KK vs JJ vs 22 vs A5 vs T6 vs 84

PokerStars Game #46300691005: Tournament #318010516, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2010/07/03 14:27:06 ET
Table '318010516 148' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: borvik (5120 in chips)
Seat 2: mirci666 (1360 in chips)
Seat 3: redskinsST21 (3000 in chips)
Seat 4: Fource One (2390 in chips)
Seat 5: FakSke85 (6000 in chips)
Seat 6: teonanakatl (2100 in chips)
Seat 7: Monteroy (6070 in chips)
Seat 8: Rimon11 (3080 in chips)
Seat 9: Jinxta (2280 in chips)
teonanakatl: posts small blind 10
Monteroy: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Monteroy [8d 3h]
Rimon11: raises 47 to 67
Jinxta: folds
borvik: raises 133 to 200
mirci666: calls 200
redskinsST21: calls 200
Fource One: calls 200
FakSke85: calls 200
teonanakatl: raises 1900 to 2100 and is all-in
Monteroy: folds
Rimon11: raises 980 to 3080 and is all-in
borvik: raises 2040 to 5120 and is all-in
mirci666: calls 1160 and is all-in
redskinsST21: calls 2800 and is all-in
Fource One: calls 2190 and is all-in
FakSke85: calls 4920
*** FLOP *** [2c 7s 7d]
Monteroy said, "standard"
*** TURN *** [2c 7s 7d] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [2c 7s 7d 9s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
borvik: shows [Js Jc] (a full house, Sevens full of Jacks)
FakSke85: shows [5c As] (three of a kind, Sevens)
borvik collected 4080 from side pot-5
Rimon11: shows [Ac Ad] (a full house, Sevens full of Aces)
Rimon11 collected 240 from side pot-4
redskinsST21: shows [Th 6h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Rimon11 collected 2440 from side pot-3
Fource One: shows [8s 4d] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Rimon11 collected 1450 from side pot-2
teonanakatl: shows [Kc Ks] (a full house, Sevens full of Kings)
Rimon11 collected 4440 from side pot-1
mirci666: shows [2h 2s] (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
Rimon11 collected 9540 from main pot
teonanakatl re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $3.00
FakSke85 said, "LOL"
Fource One re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $6.00
redskinsST21 re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $6.00
mirci666 re-buys and receives 1500 chips for $3.00



Note, both hands took place in $3 rebuy tournaments, and the days each had a 3 in theee number. The big blinds were 300 in one of them, and I was not sitting in seat 3 for either hand. I was dealt a 3 in one of the hands.

Coincidence? I say Axes to that.


All the best.

Jungmit - please try to listen carefully to this and understand it. This goes to the crux of your theory.

You keep coming back to the same claim. You say you believe that players are dealt hole cards at the expected random frequencies, BUT the site alters the deal to make players get their big hands at the same time. Is that your belief?

So what you must understand is that both of those things CANNOT be simultaneously true in a large player population. Some players' hole card frequencies must be tampered with to make the matchups happen. Period. There is no way around that contradiction.

Think hard about how you would create big hand match ups if you were the evil genius. Then think it all the way through considering all the random players that will be at the tables with those players at some point. And that everyone at the table is dealt from the same deck each hand. A card dealt to one can't go to another player in that hand. Think about that real hard.




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Odds are you lost him once you said crux. Also, chances he will understand your point, if he tried to read it, are zero. He already used his one time think hard to do the grade 2 math earlier, so that will not happen again.

And the thing is, it doesn't really matter, as his imagined rig doesn't benefit the site - it's more likely to cost them money.

[QUOTE=Bobo Fett;52460007]And the thing is, it doesn't really matter, as his imagined rig doesn't benefit the site - it's more likely to cost them

? In the short term yea it won't benefit the site , but if the game is more exciting with big hands and less boring people will play longer. That will benefit the site long term. Fish love to be all in. U are mostly going to be all in with big hands. They just love the action not the folding. If they are getting good hands that is all they care about. They will play longer.