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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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03-26-2017 , 08:16 PM
and then same f@#$kin thing happen again...

no way bro... RNG does this to me twice???

2nd time was running like that

8d,2h
8d,2h
8h,2s
8s,6s
8s,2c

notice twice as same suit as well cannot be ya all...

please comment...

I'm dead serious and can prove by simple 2 pictures
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03-26-2017 , 08:22 PM
Study more, derp less.
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03-26-2017 , 08:30 PM
what u means??? its literally impossible cozy....

btw I'm a civil engineer and studied statistic in mathematics...

have about 275k lives tournament cash earning

lived about 6y in a casino getting comp full time playing 2-5 and 5-10 nlhd everyday...

so I must know smtg about poker...

but I cannot win a single dollar on pokerstars!!!!
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03-26-2017 , 08:32 PM
study more, lie less.
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03-26-2017 , 08:33 PM
email me...

I will forward 2 pictures showing the exact following

theodose2012@gmail.com
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03-27-2017 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by runnerrunnerquadz
btw I'm a civil engineer and studied statistic in mathematics...
If you really understand basic probability (which should be the case for anyone who studied statistics), do the following.

Rather than just throwing your hands in the air and saying "what are the chances", calculate the odds. (Make it easier for yourself by calculating the odds of someone getting the exact same pair of ranks six times in a row.)

Now do a little digging around and find out how many hands Pokerstars deals in a day.

Compare the numbers and you will see that, in the course of a year, it's a downright certainty that weirder runs than you encountered will occur on multiple occasions.
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03-27-2017 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
There are teams of russians sharing hole cards at pokerstars and thats the reason the action seems rigged ...
That is one way that it is probably happening, although where they really get their edge and what makes them even more undetectable is by hacking into players computers, most likely vulnerable computers with no firewalls and antivirus programs or even possibly computers that seem to be protected although are not, that would most likely entail in somehow detecting Internet traffic to all poker sites and then intercepting it, hacking into the players computer directly by tracing down their connection, and then being able to see hole cards, it is possible and can happen, there is probably one big syndicate that has enough money to do this

Tag this along with knowing how that player plays every hand exactly and then that information goes directly in some kind of encrypted HUD that cannot be opened unless the correct measures are used

This kind of program could easily be programmed to destroy itself and there is most likely one gigantic database with hacked stats with every player that have been hacked on an Internet data cloud

They could do this in a way, that is nearly undetectable for a great length of time, significant enough to do damage and perhaps have players thinking sites are actually rigged

Poker would be just one of the targets of these entities, stealing money directly from bank accounts and other acts would most likely also be part of their repertoire

Last edited by PokerPlayer1989; 03-27-2017 at 05:49 AM.
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03-27-2017 , 04:14 PM
nothing u can tell me its not a setup......such bs
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03-30-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mrflip09
nothing u can tell me its not a setup......such bs

It's not a setup.
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03-31-2017 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
If you really understand basic probability (which should be the case for anyone who studied statistics), do the following.

Rather than just throwing your hands in the air and saying "what are the chances", calculate the odds. (Make it easier for yourself by calculating the odds of someone getting the exact same pair of ranks six times in a row.)

Now do a little digging around and find out how many hands Pokerstars deals in a day.

Compare the numbers and you will see that, in the course of a year, it's a downright certainty that weirder runs than you encountered will occur on multiple occasions.
Who cares how many hands poker stars deals in a day ? People are basing things on how many hands they actually see. This is where online poker had a problem. My local card room has 100 tables . If all those tables are full all day they deal about 3k hands hyper hour but none of that is going to change what I see at my table.bu guys are saying because poker stars deals millions of hands per day but I only see 500 I shoudl expect to see stuff that is I possible because they deal millions of hands per day. Why?
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03-31-2017 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Who cares how many hands poker stars deals in a day ?
You have almost 700 posts in this thread. If they took you 30 seconds each to make (and I'm sure plenty of them took longer because you wrote a bunch) that's almost 6 hours you've spent posting ITT.

Spend 30 minutes looking into statistics to try to get an understanding of basic concepts.
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People are basing things on how many hands they actually see. This is where online poker had a problem. My local card room has 100 tables . If all those tables are full all day they deal about 3k hands hyper hour but none of that is going to change what I see at my table.bu guys are saying because poker stars deals millions of hands per day but I only see 500 I shoudl expect to see stuff that is I possible because they deal millions of hands per day. Why?
First off, because "very rare" doesn't mean "impossible" and secondly because the more opportunities you have to see something very rare, the more likely you will, DUCY?

Here's an analogy: the odds of flipping a coin and getting 10 heads in a row is 1 in 1024(rarer than hitting a 1 outer!), but if you flip a coin enough times you'll definitely have a streak of 10 in a row. How can that be if every flip has 50/50 odds?
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03-31-2017 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by runnerrunnerquadz
what u means??? its literally impossible cozy....

btw I'm a civil engineer and studied statistic in mathematics...

have about 275k lives tournament cash earning

lived about 6y in a casino getting comp full time playing 2-5 and 5-10 nlhd everyday...

so I must know smtg about poker...

but I cannot win a single dollar on pokerstars!!!!
online is harder because the competition is tougher. tourney wins mean nothing. look at jamie gold. and 5/10 in a casino against live fish/pretendo regs is easier than even $.25/.50nl online.

its like you're bragging about being a basketball star in 5th grade but now you're in 7th grade and everyone is actually trying so you aren't doing well.
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03-31-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by runnerrunnerquadz
what u means??? its literally impossible cozy....

btw I'm a civil engineer and studied statistic in mathematics...

have about 275k lives tournament cash earning

lived about 6y in a casino getting comp full time playing 2-5 and 5-10 nlhd everyday...

so I must know smtg about poker...

but I cannot win a single dollar on pokerstars!!!!
Wouldn't be bragging about this if I were you....
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03-31-2017 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerDividends
online is harder because the competition is tougher. tourney wins mean nothing. look at jamie gold. and 5/10 in a casino against live fish/pretendo regs is easier than even $.25/.50nl online.

its like you're bragging about being a basketball star in 5th grade but now you're in 7th grade and everyone is actually trying so you aren't doing well.
It's not harder online. The players are not better. The only thing that makes online poker a little more difficult is all the ******ed min betting and min raising, so the pots are smaller.
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03-31-2017 , 11:16 AM
Online poker isn't rigged, but on Rignition you get a lot of ******s:

-Villain raises me from the button with 86s and I 3bet bb with KK. He calls. Flop is Q66. I bet and he shoves.
-Villain raises me from the CO with 37s and I 3bet bb with AA. He calls. Flop has a 4 and 5. I barrel, he calls his gutter and hits it on the turn.
-Villain raises me from the button with K7s and I 3bet bb with AA. He calls. Flush draw on the flop. I barrel and he shoves. I call. Of course he gets there.

That was in a span of 30 minutes during lunch yesterday. Had to shut it down for the day. lol
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03-31-2017 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
It's not harder online. The players are not better. The only thing that makes online poker a little more difficult is all the ******ed min betting and min raising, so the pots are smaller.

Actually, they are harder online but there is no use getting into that discussion. I'll tell you one thing though. It's not because of the RNG.

I can't figure out if you are just a troll and just come here and spam so you can act like you believe it's rigged or if you are "special" and really believe what you say.

P.S. : You still haven't posted your username and winning graphs yet. With all the rigs that you "take advantage" of I'm assuming you are at the top of the nosebleeds of every site. Damn, if only I had your mental capacity to spot rigs and make kazillions.

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Originally Posted by nick619
Online isn't rigged, but on Rignition you get a lot of ******s:

-Villain raises me from the button with 86s and I 3bet bb with KK. He calls. Flop is Q66. I bet and he shoves.
-Villain raises me from the CO with 37s and I 3bet bb with AA. He calls. Flop has a 4 and 5. I barrel, he calls his gutter and hits it on the turn.
-Villain raises me from the button with K7s and I 3bet bb with AA. He calls. Flush draw on the flop. I barrel and he shoves. I call. Of course he gets there.

That was in a span of 30 minutes during lunch yesterday. Had to shut it down for the day. lol

One of the most disgusting stuff that happened to me was in a 16.50 bounty builder on Pstars. I late reg 15 minutes before the late reg was over ( I know, not a good idea ). The blinds were already up to 250/500 if I remember correctly ( I know I had around 10 BB when I started ).

Anyway, somehow I managed to build my stack up like a luckbox to somewhere around 140k in 40-50 minutes, I was in the top 15. ( I was having rave parties inside of me ).

Get K K in UTG + 2, UTG raises 3x, I 3-bet big to around 12 BB, everybody folds to BB who cold calls, UTG folds.

FLOP : Q 3 3

He checks, I bet, he raises, I put him all in ( he had about 90 k ), he calls and turns over 3 4 ( offsuit ). He was a russian ( of course, lol ). Anyway, turn blank, river blank.

I remember that my first though was : " I want to kill him!!!! " Then I cooled down.

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03-31-2017 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
Actually, they are harder online but there is no use getting into that discussion. I'll tell you one thing though. It's not because of the RNG.

I can't figure out if you are just a troll and just come here and spam so you can act like you believe it's rigged or if you are "special" and really believe what you say.

P.S. : You still haven't posted your username and winning graphs yet. With all the rigs that you "take advantage" of I'm assuming you are at the top of the nosebleeds of every site. Damn, if only I had your mental capacity to spot rigs and make kazillions.
Why would I post my username and graph? It's none of your business who I am or how much I win. If u would like to make a bet whether I am a losing player or a winner then fine. At that point I will post a graph.

I never said online poker was harder because of rng. IMO online poker is not harder. It's just takes longer to win money due to the constant min betting and min raising. Winning is not harder tho. Maybe 5-10 hold em live is easier then 5-10 online pros, not sure about that, but the lower limits are no harder then a live game.
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03-31-2017 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
It's not harder online. The players are not better.
Do you ever wonder why literally everyone disagrees with you on this? Go ahead, find one professional player who says online is as soft as live poker.
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The only thing that makes online poker a little more difficult is all the ******ed min betting and min raising, so the pots are smaller.
lol
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03-31-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
Why would I post my username and graph? It's none of your business who I am or how much I win. If u would like to make a bet whether I am a losing player or a winner then fine. At that point I will post a graph.

I never said online poker was harder because of rng. IMO online poker is not harder. It's just takes longer to win money due to the constant min betting and min raising. Winning is not harder tho. Maybe 5-10 hold em live is easier then 5-10 online pros, not sure about that, but the lower limits are no harder then a live game.
I'm pretty sure that the average 5-10 hold em live average player isn't a match for the 0.50-1 online average player. It may even go lower than that.

Are you dumb or just a hypocrite ?

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I can show u my hem2 graph that proves I am not a losing player
You said this, you said you will post a graph to prove you are not a losing player ( which the majority oft the riggies are), nobody asked you for it. After people saw that they "dared you" ( for kicks ) to post one. You said you will post it without the screen name ( or with the screen name blurred, whatever ) and after that you changed around and said you wanted money, and if somebody puts up money I'm pretty sure that you will just ignore it, find an excuse or not show up here anymore.


When people ask you for what rigs you see, you adopt a similar weird strategy. You say you take advantage of some weird thursday winning day rigs, flush draws, quads ( or whatever tooth fairy fantasies you have in your head ) but you cannot or won't be specific about it.

Therefore, I ask the question : are you "special" or are you a troll ?
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03-31-2017 , 01:10 PM
You are confusing a person that likes attention (any kind) with someone who is potentially intentionally trolling.

A simple look at his posting history shows he has posted with the same confusing, doddering style for years, including in forums and threads that are un- trollable. He had a thread locked in the Poker Theory forum for instance

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15...89/?highlight=


His style is evident as well in threads he started in the Software forum, the Books forum, the Fantasy Sports forum and it goes on. He may do a little bit of unintended trolling for attention, but he is what he is, and one should only talk to him (or at him) for amusement, because nothing productive will ever happen.

If I am bored I sometimes have a little fun, but lately its just been more prop bet offers he will never carry through on and rigs that make the sites no money, along with being the only one on the planet who thinks live poker is harder. Yawn. Think of him as a scammer/telemarketer's worst nightmare as he is a geezer with no money who just wants to talk. Once you put him in his appropriate category you will find it is more amusing if and when you choose to interact with him.

All the best.
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03-31-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You are confusing a person that likes attention (any kind) with someone who is potentially intentionally trolling.

A simple look at his posting history shows he has posted with the same confusing, doddering style for years, including in s and threads that are un- trollable. He had a thread locked in the Theory for instance

http://server.twoplustwo.com/15/-the...89/?highlight=


His style is evident as well in threads he started in the Software , the Books , the Fantasy Sports and it goes on. He may do a little bit of unintended trolling for attention, but he is what he is, and one should only talk to him (or at him) for amusement, because nothing productive will ever happen.

If I am bored I sometimes have a little fun, but lately its just been more prop bet offers he will never carry through on and rigs that make the sites no money, along with being the only one on the planet who thinks live is harder. Yawn. Think of him as a scammer/telemarketer's worst nightmare as he is a geezer with no money who just wants to talk. Once you put him in his appropriate category you will find it is more amusing if and when you choose to interact with him.

All the best.

LOL at the thread he started.

I'm looking forward for a poker theory book : "How to berate fish."

Maybe he was referring to actual fish. Like when you catch a fish, if he starts being feisty in the hook, you start berating him and then he mellows.

Seems legit.
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03-31-2017 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
One of the most disgusting stuff that happened to me was in a 16.50 bounty builder on Pstars. I late reg 15 minutes before the late reg was over ( I know, not a good idea ). The blinds were already up to 250/500 if I remember correctly ( I know I had around 10 BB when I started ).

Anyway, somehow I managed to build my stack up like a luckbox to somewhere around 140k in 40-50 minutes, I was in the top 15. ( I was having rave parties inside of me ).

Get K K in UTG + 2, UTG raises 3x, I 3-bet big to around 12 BB, everybody folds to BB who cold calls, UTG folds.

FLOP : Q 3 3

He checks, I bet, he raises, I put him all in ( he had about 90 k ), he calls and turns over 3 4 ( offsuit ). He was a russian ( of course, lol ). Anyway, turn blank, river blank.

I remember that my first though was : " I want to kill him!!!! " Then I cooled down.
Hands like that make you wonder if there are super users out there. Who in the right mind raises UTG (especially full ring) with 34o? Then once raised, calls a 3bet with that hand? It's like he knew a couple of 3's were going to hit the flop. But yeah, stuff like that happens a lot on Ignition. Is it truly just a bunch of ******s playing like maniacs? Or are they super users hiding behind the anonymity that the site is known for?

Meh.....for the most part when I see a player at a table constantly hitting the boards hard with questionable hands, I just go to another table. I know you're not supposed to avoid maniacs and fish, but when they're hitting literally everything like that, are they really maniacs/fish is the question.
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03-31-2017 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nick619
But yeah, stuff like that happens a lot on Ignition. Is it truly just a bunch of ******s playing like maniacs? Or are they super users hiding behind the anonymity that the site is known for?
Here's a quick way to check without doing much math: Are the stakes you're playing worthwhile to steal money from, as in would they win enough money to risk ruining their site? If the answer's no, they're not superusers.
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Meh.....for the most part when I see a player at a table constantly hitting the boards hard with questionable hands, I just go to another table. I know you're not supposed to avoid maniacs and fish, but when they're hitting literally everything like that, are they really maniacs/fish is the question.
lol
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03-31-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
Here's a quick way to check without doing much math: Are the stakes you're playing worthwhile to steal money from, as in would they win enough money to risk ruining their site? If the answer's no, they're not superusers.
lol
lol (seems to be an appropriate response)
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