So why exactly do you need a separate thread for your non-facts?

No your wrong. Must not understand english. Done with you. Ap/ub was rigged. Online poker has been rigged before. Is it now? Of course dont be dumb now. You people say the same stuff too. O if the rng was rig we would know it. Poker player are smart people. The hhs will show it. Lol pull your head out your butt already. This is a debate thread. I won the debate for the riggies just admit it.

I think it stops people from gathering evidence. This thread does. Things I had show nothing. But if tons of people say and show same stuff bout a site than atleast you could be aware of what might be going on. Instead online poker is all combine into one group. Pokerstars doesnt deserve this as it seems to me they went above and beyond to have a fair game.

Yeah, why go to university anymore or try to educate yourself when it's clear that you already have the answers locked up in your head. You just need to click download and be amazed at what your mind can produce and your mouth or in this case fingers and keyboards can regurgitate. I think this is the case of many riggies.

I was born in a small town called Focsani in the county of Vrancea, Romania. From your information I can see you live in the US in the state of Ohio. Yet, somehow I am able to tie sentences in english better than you. Isn't it amusing ? I bet you cannot speak Romanian as well as I can .

Poker players are sometimes smart people.

For the "pull your head out your butt already, hhs will show it and rng was rig" and whatever crap you said there, I can only say take a look at what people told you previously. Then take a second and process what you are saying.

Again, in the case of UB/AP, by rigged, you mean the superuser deal, yes I can go with that because that was the case. When people say that a site is rigged they usually mean that the cards do not fall random. UB/AP did not have a problem with their RNG and card distribution. That was in order, hence me stating that it was not rigged.

I am assuming by your last statement ( that I bolded out ) that you have never won a logical argument in your life. I feel sorry for you. So, yes, I admit it. You have won this "debate" for the riggies. Go and celebrate. Online is rigged. I admit it. I have to hand it to you, you're a tough cookie and you exposed me for defending those scumbag rigged sites. Go and celebrate now, throw a big party with all the riggies. Make sure that all the televisions will be there. Say how you won the debate and that you should be knighted by the Queen of the UK and how Trump should change the constitution and name you his successor. My imagination got out of line. I am stopping right now.

Oh, and again, you deserve this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPlO0KSpjE

Yes i won the debate close the thread. The two bolded sentences. Lol seems like someone is starting to steam a bit. I said i agree you can find rigs through hand historys. Which is possible but not all of them. I also think there is a way to rig it and not get caught. You understand now. Funny how you got to insult me. Lmao I am winning here. I never won? I just won this debate. You said it yourself. Now bobo can tell everyone debate is over. Online poker has been proven to be rigged at one point in history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IPlO0KSpjE

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I for one want to personally thank you for alerting me that online poker could very well be rigged.

As you point out the UB/AP scandals were terrible examples of online poker sites ripping off their customers. And Lock and Full Tilt and several others sites over the years too numerous to mention. If you hadn't reminded me of those situations, I probably would have forgotten about all the millions of dollars online poker players lost.

I guess I never put two and two together before. I knew that home game poker was risky since players or dealers could cheat me. I suspected that casinos could be risky since, again, players or dealers could cheat me. Whenever money is involved I try to be careful about those type of things.

But I never before suspected that online poker sites could also be out to cheat me out of my hard-earned dollars. It's like a light bulb has lit up above my head!

Thanks again for alerting me to this possibility.

I'm looking for a Random Number Generator Tester

One that tests the cards dealt to my opponents, myself, and what the board cards are, of course this will not be enough of a test but it would be a good start

I play enough and have played enough where these results would mean something

I can unfortunately find No such program online

So anyone that can devise such a program or point me in the direction of where I can buy one, I would be gratefully appreciative.

What exactly are you trying to test out ?

I don't know if there is such a thing as a RNG tester.

You should go to the probability forum and start a thread there. Say what exactly you suspect being wrong and those guys will point you in the right direction.

Oh, and it's important that you provide your HH's and it should be a decent sample size.

I'm trying to test out : "...the cards dealt to my opponents, myself, and what the board cards are..."

At least for now, this really isn't enough, and I would also like to see how many times I am dealt a specific hand, and also how many times my opponents are dealt a specific hand, as in a list of all the hands possible and how many times those hands are dealt, including the board cards, for five card hands. Also seeing the amount of times specific cards are dealt, meaning specific suits, how many times specific flushes are dealt with the variable being dependent on the specific suit, having a chart to track these results for opponents, myself and board cards

I am quite confident that no RNG tester exists, so herein lies the problem, but anyone that has the programming skills of poker result tracker programs would find it quite easy to create an RNG tester that tests the integrity of a game, the fact that one hasn't been created yet is completely baffling to me

I don't suspect anything being wrong right now, although I want to test the program to see for myself

Yeah I could provide my HHs although right now I prefer not to, it would be great/excellent if someone could quickly put something together to test Hand Histories, I'd pay top dollar for it and I'm sure other people would as well

Not only would this test the RNG although see how far off standard deviation you are that could contribute to a lucky or unlucky streak, such a tool would be InvaluabLe to any serious poker player, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, the fact that no such program (rng tester) has been created is quite a gigantic conundrum to other players and myself, perhaps poker sites could offer such a program as courtesy to players and put this poker is rigged debate to rest once and for all!

The poker sites ( the top ones at least ) benefit from 3rd party certifications. Basically, another company that is competent in determing the fairness ofs the deal comes in and reveals the deal of the sites. So far, as far as I know, the top sites have never failed the test.

If your interested in studies, search laughing assassin and spadebidder in these forums. They have put in numerous studies that show the fairness of the deal. It's about the tenth time I post this study, but hey I will do it again : http://www.spadebidder.com/

The study is quite complex. Analyzes a few billion flops. And everything appears to be in order. He has, however discovered some card removal effects. He explains it quite well there. The other guy, Laughing assassin has analyzed millions of hands ( all in-equity and stuff of that sort ). Both of them concluded that the dealings are random and not tampered with.

I am not sure what to tell you about the RNG tester. I am not that good of a math guy. But I do know that a lot of good players use tools like poker tracker or holdem manager to review their hands and if there was indeed something wrong with the dealings at any top site, I am quite surprised that they didn't say anything about that by now. Basically, no one has discovered any evidence that the poker sites have an unrandom deal. But, there was evidence that the sites do have a random deal.

But again, you should start a thread in the probability forum. Any questions that you have, those guys can answer them. I've read some of the threads in there and I'm quite astonished. I am not a top math guy, but that doesn't mean I'm not into it .

Hope this helped.

Apologize to the mods for consecutive posting but something jumped into my eye.

The bolded part. Why did you vote yes then in the poll ?

Just curious.

Absolute poker, ultimate bet, the evidence there

A lot of people seem to hang on to this evidence like it's some kind of bible and proof that poker sites skew their RNG. The UB/AP poker scandal was about superusers, not about RNG's. Their RNG was fine and provided a fair deal. The "riggedness" regarding those incidents was basically a superuser ( a person who could see the cards of the players ).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM

Tell me, what does this have to do with RNG's ?

No, I'm aware of that, I don't want to get into some argument right now though

Ok. You seem a bit confused. Again, the best advice that I can give you is go to the probability forum, start a thread and state your concerns there. I guarantee that if you are serious about analyzing your HH's, the guys there will help you.

Just as a sidenote: It's 2017, multiple studies have been done. All point to the legitimacy of the RNGs of the sites. Don't you think that if a big scam was going on and poker sites were robbing poker players off their money that somebody, by now, would've come out and presented some evidence of this ?
Just asking.

But, I guess that another study wouldn't hurt. Not that I expect that you will find anything wrong in your database ( again, the deals are legit ) or that it will convince anyone that is firmly wrapped up in the idea that online poker is rigged.

But, again. If you really are serious about this and are not just being paranoid with crazy theories ( no offence intended, it;s just that if you do a random research in this thread you will see rigged theories that imply writing D for dead and L for live in the chatbox while you are playing, it has an effect on the outcome of the hand ) then go to the probability forum and start a thread.

I think one of the greatest threats is that people share hole cards, can work from the bottom up and when caught the cheater can get someone else's information and start over, it is huge in my opinion and widespread

Using bots, this form of collusion can possibly go, on for that much longer/indefinitely than/compared whipsaw collusion, giving these bots or active players a chance to move up to higher stakes and siphon off their money to new accounts before they get caught and their accounts are frozen and funds seized

And what is that thanks to, really excellent hackers and people not using security on their computers

That's one thing people could mistake as RNG rigging, because when someone shares hole cards in Omaha and this is done by three or four players at once using a computer to run calculations on what should be done, based on the known hole cards, someone could run up a huge advantage, if it is something more than that on "some" sites I wouldn't be surprised though

No I'm not confused Alex, I understand what rigged means also, and like I said before I do not want to do that right now, at a later time I can ask if anyone is aware of these calculators, and like I said I didn't want to get in an argument, and I also didn't know that my vote was going to be publicized

First of all, why would I and how would I post tens of thousands of hands or more? We are not talking about ten hands, that is obviously not enough, this kind of task would prove ridiculous and impossible

Interesting. Yes collusion and bots are problems too. But it hardly means that online poker is rigged. It's cheating. The good thing is that they can be caught. In the past, people from this forum have helped discover bots at Ipoker, forms of collusion and the UB/AP scandal as well.

Again, I strongly encourage you to go to the probability forum if you think you have been cheated. Go there, stress your concern and you will have to provide your HH's if you want help from the probability guys.

Again, I'm sure that the probability guys will give you instructions on how to give them the HH's and everything that is required. Just go and start a thread there if you think you have been a victim of cheating.

Thank you much Alex

I will at some point, I would like to be sure what I am posting is legit though

The way that these entities get away with this so long is because they are good, they are better than PokerStars security

Every year new players come to the age that they can play poker and then new identities can be borrowed or stolen, and like I said the way that they can do it is by working from the bottom up to the higher stakes, and I think this is the only way, using freerolls as a way to make a bankroll then joining fellow cheating players or calculating bots to whip up a huge advantage

This can literally go on forever if something isn't done to stop it, and I think this form of cheating is widespread right now and perhaps always. I don't know what can stop it myself, although I am sure someone else knows

Poker definitely is not rigged to the point where colluders such as these or other types of colluders can make money, so this is something positive for every player that plays fair, the fact that if you work hard enough, perhaps a well-rounded player can make money under fair circumstances or unfair circumstances against themselves

If colluding is possible and entities make money off of it poker is not completely "Rigged"

Good luck at the tables

As far as I know, buying or stealing an identity is quite a big crime. Again, if you suspect that something like this has occured to you don't be silent about it. They can be caught. Email stars about it if you don't want to post in the probability forum. I'm pretty sure they will be interested in what you have to say and if they discover any of it to be true, I'm pretty sure it will end up with some people at least being banned and you will have helped to get rid of a few of these bastards. This is why I encourage you to post in the probability forum.

As for the rigging part, the sites do not participate in the bots/collusion cheats. As far as I know Stars handles this pretty seriously and doesn't mess around when it comes to this.

Thank you very much, good luck to you as well !

There are teams of russians sharing hole cards at pokerstars and thats the reason the action seems rigged ...

not about bad beat, and all that non sense...

I was literally dealt back to back in same tournament the following in order

7d,6c
Ah,7h
7s,5h
7d,6d
7s,6c
7d,6s

same f#$kin exact hand back 2 back 2 back... impossible

what are the odds???

can email a picture if that's of any interest...

theodose2012@gmail.com