Update....
I got JT I raise bb calls flop is J87 bb donk bets min I call. Turn is 8 bb donk bets min I raise he calls. River is a 6, bb donk min bets I call he has aces. Well played sir. They keep coming. Don't miss a minute.

Why would you choose those 3 hands? I see hands played worse than all three of those every time I play. I'm not saying those hands are played well (in fact I am not opining on how they were played at all), but I certainly see hands played much worse than those three every time I play.


Also, it is possible for the overall quality of play of the average player to be greater than it was at some point in the past while at the same time some (all actually) players play hands badly at some frequency with some players playing hands badly at a high frequency.

I would hypothesize that the quality of the performance of any activity tends to improve over time to the extent possible. It seems to make sense that, on average, people would, over time, make improvements in what they are doing and some of the people who don't may start to drop out.

With poker specifically, strategy books were published (beginning slightly in the late 1970's and picking up more in the 1990's and more around 2000?). Computers were invented and processing power continued to increase and still continues to do so (it became possible to run simulations basically instantly rather than dealing out a deck tens of thousands of times to see what would happen as Doyle Brunson wrote that he did; people would play millions of hands in a year rather than 50,000). Internet forums discussing strategy became prevalent. Paid for coaching became a more popular thing. Online training sites started popping up. Commercial or free software was developed: From the early simple programs such as pokerstove, which calculated equity of range vs. range instantly, to the more recent more advanced programs such as PioSolver that given certain ranges, board cards and bet sizes (it can accommodate multiple bet sizes now too and split the range using these multiple sizings) can calculate the GTO solution in HU pots.

With all that, it is pretty absurd to claim that the average quality of play is not currently greater than it was in 1907 or 1970 or 1998 or 2003 or even 2014.



(Nowadays, it is very common that a table will consist of 5 players playing pretty decently and 1 player playing poorly [the lower the stakes you go the more often you may find an exception to this and certain sites or certain jurisdictions may have more exceptions to this]. Commonly, there will not be much of an edge among the 5 players, so they are close to being battling over the 1 player's stack and they have to pay rake as they do so.)



Oooh. If those 3 were the worst played, that kinda sucks for you. A stated, I see worse played hands every time I play.


Your turn raise is pretty bad. I mean, not as bad as if he had bet a bigger amount. At least you are denying AQ,AJ,KQ type hands equity for free. But it is probably worse than the play in some of those three hands you posted earlier where the other guy had AK, JJ and 77.

What was your thought process behind raising the turn? I'm not sure what the logic behind it was.

Raising the flop would be significantly better than calling the flop and then raising on that turn card.

Ok good points u make but....
1. People at lower limit games are not using all those tools.
2. People at lower limit games on average never improve
3. If I tell u why I raised the turn, then u would know a big secret, so sorry no can do.
I mean if u are comparing a 1-2 online grinder then yes they are probably using those tools. But I would bet most players below that are using probably only a hud. Although I could be wrong

The games online have gotten harder over the years.

The games live have gotten harder over the years, though likely at a slower pace due to the slower nature of the game.

The online games are considerably harder than the live games at the same buy in limits. Other than you this is accepted as pretty much a given. Posting a few boring, undocumented hand histories is meaningless.


I would have liked if you were doing this live is harder than online bit as part of a troll routine, as I think that could be a potentially good one, but sadly your posting history shows that you are genuinely out of touch, rather than an innovative troll. I do not doubt that you are pretty much the only human that genuinely believes that the live games are in general harder, because it severs your weird agenda of the day, and fills your need for attention. You always interrupt other riggies when they are in a middle of a chat here for a reason, after all.

Consider starting a thread in the blogging forum and see if you get a following. In some ways you are like Tuff Fish, though you are completely devoid of any of his innate charisma, so odds are you will never get a following like he did.

Some videos of an actually entertaining version of this grampa, first one is even a QQ hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAQd9nFoRYk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHr17-fFQM



All the best.


P.S. That Full Tilt "University study" showed that as more players are dealt in a hand (without anyone folding and it going to showdown) that stronger hands tend to win. The fact that monster hands happened at a table of 9 players than would happen if you simply dealt yourself a 2 card hand then a 5 card board amazed them for some reason. Nice to see some people still mention it, given it is as dusty and accurate as that photoshoped 5 aces hand.

This is the "Poker is rigged" thread, not the jungmit blog, so this won't be an ongoing "segment".

If you want to blog about your poker hands, try here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...mp-challenges/

This isn't the thread for it.

The site has third party software that can intercept the deal AFTER the shuffle BEFORE the cards are dealt to the player. There is a thread right now involving accusations made by jason mercier regarding an app and a game and the suggestion raised in that thread is that the accused may have compromised the server somehow and is able to manipulate the card distribution. I imagine the same or similar scenerio here. The cards are dealt the way the person opening a table and utilizing this software wants at any given time any given hand. If pokerstars wants to creat excitement and rig a hand or tournament for jaime staples and ensure he makes final tables for desperate twitch viewership then we see what we have the last few weeks. What better way then rig one hand and influence the distribution of large sums of money without ever being detected however this could also be seen as money laundering if its possible

I do not like this being moved to the rigged thread, what I posted was not about being rigged, it was for intelligent debate on things websites can do and possibly do, this is a crackpot thread for the most part... Kind of disappointed

That is a free play money only app for Open Face Chinese that is only meant for entertainment. Players have to settle up themselves outside of it if they want to play for real money. There is no third party provider (i) running games on the app, (ii) escrowing money, (iii) providing security or (iv) doing anything else. It isn't really the same thing.

1. Agree. At the nano stakes like 2NL and 5NL, players probably aren't using PioSolver like tools.

2. Disagree. A lot of them may never improve much, but even nano stakes online and 1/2 live are, for the most part, not as soft as they were 10 years ago.

3. Seems silly. I don't know what site you're playing on and I don't know your screen name. Due to where I live, I'm quite certain I have never and never will play on the site you play on. There is no way that your telling me why you raised the turn could at all disadvantage you.

I am just wanting to ask the moderator to repost the thread the was titled above, I do not think it belonged in that crackpot thread full of idiots crying when QQ loses 3 times in a row or full of unintelligent accusations of be colluded against, the thread I posted was more thought out, and was taking into account that poker online is a dying market and clearly sites will do things in their power to extend the life of the market.

We can pretend it doesn't happen, but anyone with common sense knows SOMETHING goes on and I wanted to start a constructive conversation about it in a way that I found was done zero times on this forum, and I do not call it rigging or rigged (though it technically would be a somewhat alternative to rigging or rigged, but rigged or rigging would be too strong of terms for it, as it would be poker sites extending the life of their market in a way they can- was trying to think of an analogy but all I could think of was what they MAY or MAY NOT do is what drug dealers MAY or MAY NOT do with their cocaine and cut it with something to stretch it longer, yea poor analogy- all analogies go back to drugs somehow). It is what may be best for everyone as a whole, maybe if nothing was done the game would already be dried up.

I am very disappointed that it was tossed into that dreadful thread that will literally make you dumber the more you read.

(sorry for sloppy response have a few tables that keep popping up over this) you can delete this post once you see it regardless of what you do with the other post, thank you

In spite of the fact that you think your rigged rant is more special than everyone else's, it isn't. And there have been many constructive conversations in this thread, just like standalone threads like the one you started have often resulted in train wrecks. Where these conversations go usually depends on the person starting them rather than on where they happen.

When you're the 64,362nd person to post your thoughts about rigging with no hard evidence, you're going to get some trolling - if you want to have a productive conversation, you'll need to move past that, and also provide something worthwhile of discussion.

That's exactly what it was about.

Oh no Bobo, this really is a special case where we can all agree SOMETHING goes on.

Totally not rigging, of course, but definitely a bunch of other words that dance around it.

They're all special little snowflakes.

>82000 posts

So... is it rigged ?

Well raped as standard procedure. Bets taken thst tomorrow I win? I will send u all hand histories as proof.

As usual you have a great offer that does need any way of clarification.

Like, you can just post 1 blind at 2NL and shove all in against a minraise. 90% you end up making a profit that day.

or of course he can play the highest limits possible and make tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars with is silly rig if it existed. Yadda yadda.

If this thread is just going to become his whiny blog then the mods should clarify that change by this point, and then he can whine all day long with cherry picked unverified hand histories and his frequent, yet apparently standard, rape issues.

Yes highest limits the bankroll will allow. U are correct sir.

If your rig is true then bankroll management is meaningless - take advances on credit cards to play the highest limits possible on winning days. If a casino said - you win on your next 5 roulette spins would you still use "bankroll management" or would you choose to bet the table max on the highest odd payout and even try to negotiate an even higher limit? I know I would do the latter, I guess you would opt for a 10 buck bet on red or something...

Anyway, you will of course say you won today, whether you do or not, because you literally lie all the time. You have said in the past you would be a losing player if not for this rig. So, are you a losing player who relies on a rig and lies about being an innate winner, or are you a winning player and you lie about your rigs?

In the end this is the riggie thread, so feel free to propose whatever rig theory you make up and discuss that, but pretty sure you cannot use it for an attention starved blog of your play, most of which are lies.

So, given it is the riggie thread, what is your latest specific rig theory?


All the best.

Yes I don't bankroll manage. No need dor it. U are one bright young star monty. U said u would be a losing player with out. I never said that. Reading comprehension good fellow.

If I know with certainty that I am going to win then my bankroll management is to try to wager as much as possible. Amusing you cannot understand why, but then your rig is such a silly lie, so perhaps that is why you never properly defend it with your play.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=82347


You were the one that said it about your silly winning/losing day rig. Amusing that you do not even understand what you say.

Anyway, play today within your bankroll management even though you know it is a winning day rig, and then come back and talk about how you won whether you did or not. You do lie all the time about everything, so may as well keep that streak going!

By the way, does the daily rig restart at midnight your time zone? What about people in different time zones? What happens if multiple winning day players play heads up due to time zone issues!

All the best.

U are finally getting it monty.

Glad you finally agree with my assessment about how you lie all the time. On that note, have fun today playing artificially low for a guaranteed winning day, and then come back and report that you won, whether that is a lie or not. Apparently this thread is your personal play blog now, so may as well go with the flow.

All the best.

So once again I have been told thst the more people who are playing on a site, thst we will see discrepancies in the hands dealt. Can anyone tell me why this is? I have heard this from 2 sites now.at times of lots of traffic u will tend to see my long shot things happen. Anyone got an answer to this??

Tomorrow is the day not today. I roll start posting actual hand histories with hand numbers from ignition as they are all anonymous so no names will be seen. U think I make this up ? It will have hand numbers too. Wait till u see the plo hand I got it all jnto with ad a 84% fav vs 2 other players. U won't beleive it's real. Tomorrow is gold sir, rigged for me to win