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12-02-2016 , 08:01 PM
so you didnt take the job and just assume you know how their entire infrastructure works?

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Originally Posted by muller1980
The moment I was certain that online poker was rigged was when I was contacted to work for one of these companies (one that was scamming everyone and went bust). These guys have a huge, and I mean HUGE datacenter, with more than a thousand servers to run a simple online ecommerce platform and a poker server.

The poker server only receives a few bytes of data per hand, even a million simultaneous hands is just a few megabytes and most part of processing occurs on the poker client. To think that you need a thousand servers to run this is laughable. My complany runs an ecommerce site for more than a million clients and all it takes is about 30 servers in a rack.

So why do they need all this computing power ?? I tell you why, to figure, in real time, a way to put anyone with a winrate on the absolute low end of the variance curve and keep the money raking in the system for as long as possible. Now thats something that yes, requires a lot of computing power ...

Does this mean that online poker in unbeatable ? Not so. It is beatable for a very tiny margin and you have to learn a way to deceive the software in order to do that. Good luck at the tables
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12-03-2016 , 10:34 AM
Why is it every time I flop a set, there is a 4 flush??? Must be rigged...
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12-03-2016 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by joethepro
after giving this much thought and reviewing your evidence, i agree with you.

i suggest we give up together. what time will you be giving up poker, so i can coordinate and also give up at the same time? i would prefer it to be after friday, b/c i feel that my aces almost always hold up on thursdays (although my kings are breakeven that day). on fridays if my dog watches me i do well.

or maybe i can give up on all days BUT thursdays and fridays.

we'll work out a semi retirement. pm me.
I think you are neglecting the obvious answer. I shouldn't tell you because I don't want winning players to continue to play, but you should probably have your dog watch you more. Especially on Thursdays...
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12-03-2016 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheKingAce
I'm now thinking it's just a perception I have because I'm running bad. I've looked at the data and over a sample size of 762 HU where I had a chip lead ranging from 2x to 55x (calculated at the moment the timer reaches zero), I've finished 2nd 568 of them.

I'm expecting this perception to go away once my results normalizes.
So are you in fact willing to take the bet you proposed or not?
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12-04-2016 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TheKingAce
I am willing to bet on the card to come and give anyone who accept 2x what break even odds would entail. Surely, anyone who thinks it isn't scripted should accept as it's a free pass to double any amount you bet.
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
I'll do that bet and I don't even care if it is once or 1000 times.
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Originally Posted by TheKingAce
I'm going to bet against myself with those odds for a week and if the results are convincing I will move forward with the bet. If we do move forward, I would like the betting amount to be at least greater than a grand.
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Originally Posted by Lego05
If you:

1. Set forth in detail (a) the exact process for you picking a card and then seeing whether you picked right; (b) how many picks you will make; and (c) how many picks you have to get right to win; and

2. Agree to escrow all money with an agreeable person(s)

and if numbers 1 and 2 are done satisfactorily, then I'll put up somewhere between a grand and 30 grand.

You shouldn't have any problem hitting your grand floor for a bet like that in principle so long as you come up with reasonable terms for it.



But, as has been said, this will never happen.
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+$4k for me
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
Will also put up $1k with sufficient sample size.
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Originally Posted by TheKingAce
I'm now thinking it's just a perception I have because I'm running bad. I've looked at the data and over a sample size of 762 HU where I had a chip lead ranging from 2x to 55x (calculated at the moment the timer reaches zero), I've finished 2nd 568 of them.

I'm expecting this perception to go away once my results normalizes.

Does that mean no bet? Or are you still willing to bet?
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12-04-2016 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FTHater
Why is it every time I flop a set, there is a 4 flush??? Must be rigged...
all ya gotta do is let the board pair by da riva...
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12-07-2016 , 04:58 PM
If i had a doller for every 80/20 i'd lost in the last 2 days id have a pretty healthy balance right now. Can honestly say ill never deposit on a poker site again. Wheter its rigged on not is up fpr debate but losing so many 70/30 and 80/20s that im down 40 buy ins is enouh **** for me.

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12-07-2016 , 05:11 PM
Finally someone who says he will quit playing after the obvious rig.
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12-07-2016 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by downswinger
I'm not one for saying poker is rigged, but **** me I'm never playing on ipoker again. Bust my roll on 2 of there skins in the last 2 days, beat after beat, cooler after cooler. Just played zoom on bet365 and it was the most horrendous 20 minutes I've ever played poker, nasty suckout after nasty suckout. just felt really weird. I'm staying the **** away from that skin from now on.
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Regular 60 buy in downswings whilst getting it in as a favourite 90% of the time. People hitting straights with kickers and pocket pairs, people hitting gut shots more than you hit flushes. Rngs being rigged in every casino, bookies and pub in the world. This is why people think its rigged
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If i had a doller for every 80/20 i'd lost in the last 2 days id have a pretty healthy balance right now. Can honestly say ill never deposit on a poker site again.
You seem to just have the worst luck ever and if it wasn't rigged against you you'd be a crusher, so good call quitting.

I expect we'll see you bitching about playing great but losing on some other site soon enough, though.
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12-07-2016 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
You seem to just have the worst luck ever and if it wasn't rigged against you you'd be a crusher, so good call quitting.

I expect we'll see you bitching about playing great but losing on some other site soon enough, though.
I got aa vs aa in a few times pre and lost each time ffs. I did flop a royal though so not the most unlucky player ever
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12-07-2016 , 06:28 PM
downswinger,

Do you think that the most unlucky player ever is someone who doesn't get good hands?

Or is it someone who gets good hands and then loses?
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12-11-2016 , 11:03 AM
the most unlucky player is the runner up in the contest of unluckiness
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12-12-2016 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slowtroll
the most unlucky player is the runner up in the contest of unluckiness
Mind.
Blown.
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12-12-2016 , 07:20 PM
spinoza would say those honors belong to the winner. (do i need an apostrophe in 'honors')?

Last edited by donk mcReetard; 12-12-2016 at 07:43 PM.
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12-13-2016 , 06:21 PM
Hi,

Can anyone new to 888 use some free poker software and evaluate performance initially compared to 2 or 3 weeks down the line, like checkout your bankroll equity. I'd never played before and was rubbish but won in absurd quantity during the first week, after that normal poker begins and you realise how crap you are.

Before you say it, I'll say it for you, I think there is a chance 888 poker is rigged to encourage loyalty of new players. I do not think they try their hardest to ensure you always lose with pocket aces, that really would be pointless and there's no motivation for this.


Please let me know what your findings are. I spoke to many other players who have experienced the same incredible run initially and then hit reality thereafter. Sadly this is only anecdotal evidence right now, but I will build a case and take things further should any meaningful evidence come to light.

Do not ban this moderators unless you are against finding out the truth and anti-freespeech.
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12-13-2016 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by reihana9
Hi,

Can anyone new to 888 use some free poker software and evaluate performance initially compared to 2 or 3 weeks down the line, like checkout your bankroll equity. I'd never played before and was rubbish but won in absurd quantity during the first week, after that normal poker begins and you realise how crap you are.

Before you say it, I'll say it for you, I think there is a chance 888 poker is rigged to encourage loyalty of new players. I do not think they try their hardest to ensure you always lose with pocket aces, that really would be pointless and there's no motivation for this.


Please let me know what your findings are. I spoke to many other players who have experienced the same incredible run initially and then hit reality thereafter. Sadly this is only anecdotal evidence right now, but I will build a case and take things further should any meaningful evidence come to light.

Do not ban this moderators unless you are against finding out the truth and anti-freespeech.
There is a massive and popular "Poker is Rigged" thread already in existence so the mods might move this to there...don't take it personally, it's just site policy.
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12-14-2016 , 07:16 AM
People still believe that off-shore sites run by mobsters are on the up and up ?? LOL

Yeah and Santa Claus brings you presents ...

The rigg is there but very cleverly conceiled. They use a massive ammount of servers to put every winner in the low end of the variance and every looser running like God. There was even one of these stupid mobsters that suggested in an interview that the way to make online poker exciting was that!! LOL

The analisys you need to make to spot the rigg cannot be made by holdem manager because you need to cross the hands with the stats of the users in said hands. You will run better than expected against regulars to offset the huge discrepancy on the hands against the loosing players. How do I know this ? Well, what about a sample size of over 4 million hands played online ??

Take care, protect you bankroll, dont play online poker !!
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12-14-2016 , 07:28 AM
Loose = not tight
Lose = not win
Both = easy poker words.


Also, here is a much better mobster/mafia riggie for your consideration:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=55922

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Originally Posted by truth seeker2000
Enough, I have read enough of this insanity.

This thread represents the state of our society.

Those of you who doubt the possibility of online poker being rigged are hopeless deluded brain dead idiots who believe everything they're told.

Some of you obviously work for the online poker websites. Do you really believe that it's that far out of reach for online poker to be rigged when there are instances of live poker games being rigged?

Poor OP, who is only speaking the truth while most of you brain washed sheeple criticize him.

Even really good players will tell you online poker is rigged including wsop winner Jared Young. Look him up and there's an article in which he says that it's rigged.

Pretty much ALL gambling in the world is controlled and manipulated by the mafia and organized crime groups around the world.

ALL major online poker websites are also controlled by the mafia and organized crime groups.

The major websites employ not only their own bots but their own house players who can at times see others' cards and know what cards will be flopped.

Oh yeah, I am a pretty good player. Started playing online poker in July and have accumulated 108,000 chips and is ranked 2,100 out of over 120,000 players. I will not name the website I play on to remain anonymous.

Even then, the things I have witnessed and seen on the website are beyond belief.

Sure there are people who make lots of money playing online poker but they would make more if it wasn't rigged. The online poker websites have to let a few people succeed to avoid being caught in their deception.

As far as the increased amount of hands played in online poker....if you are playing more hands, I understand that bad beats will occur but if you are a half decent player, shouldn't you be winning more due to increased hands???

Stop putting your money in online poker. You can play online poker for fun but only play live poker for money.

Start reading books about the Bilderbergs and Bones and Skulls, this will open your mind about what people in power can do.

Only a few higher up employees know about this. Most of the employees are in the dark about this.

There was an article about a Pokerstars employee who admitted how they rigged the RNG software. I can't find it at hand.

So many of you are brain washed by our educational system which trains you to be submissive to the state and government that you learn how to conform to popular thought and never question anything. Very sad.

Then anyone who threatens your confort zone you say that they either really suck at poker.

There are MANY people who succeed at a high level in LIVE POKER who will tell you that something isn't right with online poker.

While I don't think that every game or hand is rigged in online poker, the RNG is definitely flawed.

So wake up you sheeple. The global bankers lie to you every day in the media while they orchestrate this inflation and devaluation of the dollar. Surely, if they can do this, they can manipulate a website!

Go ahead and believe that online poker is legit and you'll end up being the mind controlled slaves of the New World Order.

To those of you who know the truth, don't get too much attention in public about this if you are trying to expose this because if you do and get too close about to blow the lid......your life just might be in danger.


Anyone who uses the term sheeple is a better quality riggie in my mind. Santa Clause is too seasonal, and only referenced by "loosers."


All the best.
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12-14-2016 , 07:34 AM
Well, this one is not a theory. It actually happened.

There is a possibility that the bad playeres I see running like GOD could be bots from the site but they still had to make them "loosers" overall or they would get caugth ...

And for the mocking my english part I would like to see you writing in my native language ...
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12-14-2016 , 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
Well, this one is not a theory. It actually happened.

There is a possibility that the bad playeres I see running like GOD could be bots from the site but they still had to make them "loosers" overall or they would get caugth ...

And for the mocking my english part I would like to see you writing in my native language ...


It is not a theory - it did not happen, but the key thing in this exchange is trying to help you be the best riggie you can be moving forward.

The riggie industry is getting much more competitive, and to stand out you need to present yourself in a creative new manner. Simply yelling at clouds and screaming about doomswitches or the mafia no longer work.

Take some time to think about how you can be the best riggie possible and present your best riggie work in future. Sure it will be dismissed as paranoid nonsense, but at least your effort will be noted.

The riggie I quoted in my past post, I praised for his heartfelt manifesto. Your posts are just lazy work of a riggie hack/wannabe. Do better!

All the best.
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12-14-2016 , 07:48 AM
So, bots from the house didnt happen ??? LOOOOOOL

Are you serious ?? Do they pay you that much ???
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12-14-2016 , 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
So, bots from the house didnt happen ??? LOOOOOOL

Are you serious ?? Do they pay you that much ???
We get paid $5 per post although they haven't paid me in 3 months now.
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12-14-2016 , 08:03 AM
Good job good job ... See how they do it ladies and gentlemen ??
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12-14-2016 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by muller1980
So, bots from the house didnt happen ??? LOOOOOOL

Are you serious ?? Do they pay you that much ???
I now get $5.25 per post, as I am a higher quality shill.

I believe you are confused about how houses work, but this classic thread may help you, and again the quality of work of that nutjob was exceptional. Yours is horrid.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-diego-618446/

You need to stop being such an inadequate riggie. Don't be so lazy - put some work into it already!


All the best.
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12-14-2016 , 08:07 AM
I dont need to put any work.

The fact that you avoid the theory is confirmation enough ...

Cheers ...


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I now get $5.25 per post, as I am a higher quality shill.

I believe you are confused about how houses work, but this classic thread may help you, and again the quality of work of that nutjob was exceptional. Yours is horrid.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-diego-618446/

You need to stop being such an inadequate riggie. Don't be so lazy - put some work into it already!


All the best.
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