The people keeping the secret would not be making the millions...


Why would they only hire secret programmers for this single game format? When they run some special Sunday Millions with 10 million guaranteed they make nearly a million in rake just from the one tournament.


Depends how many of them started. Probably a ton more started than normal that week with that promotion.



Toss that question in the stats forum if you like. I am still not quite sure what your theory is though, that they have secret programmers who do not tell the secret that hit the winning button too many times? What would be the point of that conspiracy? Kind of seems a strange way to make money for the site (does it even do that), with a lot of built in risk. I am not following your logic other than you saying stuff can be fishy - which is a bit vague in and by itself.


People like you have been making the your type of "empirical observations" for a long time without them ever being accurate. You probably have done it with multiple posting accounts to increase the odds, although to date that has yet to work. Consider asking the Spin and Go programmers for some help, you can find them huddled in a large cave somewhere, but they tend to not speak.

All the best.

It's called non disclosures and it's probably only a few people in the know of it so it wouldn't be hard whatsoever. Very easy actually in a compartmentalized structure such as pokerstars where one dept doesn't know the other from a hole in it's arse. All staff have to do now is stare at there screen and search for a keyword from a customer and send the appropriate boilerplate. They have completely eliminated 99% of the employees personal input. This is because they want complete control over what is said, as you see from management when they actually do make a public statement, it's picked apart and very poor the last few years. Thats why they hardly post in here anymore.

Didn't you get the memo - your dusty Orwellian belief structure got trumped (pun semi-intended) by a instant information culture where most people want to be seen and heard. Still, its impressive that non-disclosure documents for places like Lock Poker still have power to keep those programmers in the know silent from telling the truth to the sheeple. Busy cave indeed. Hope these empirical observation helped.

All the best.

P.S. Go watch the movie "Cube" - you are likely to have an epiphany...

The programmers would probably make a decent amount does not need to be millions. Just saying whenever there is millions to be made there is always bigger chance of some chances being taken. why would they ever do anything with the 10 million $ MTT? the only thing they could ever do there to make money aside from the rake is have a pokerstars "player" and rig it for that player to win it. super high risk and very stupid.
The spins are for billions of dollars. We are talking extreme amount of money here and the format that probably makes the most money for the site by far. Also it would be the hardest format to detect rigging if not impossible.
My theory is simple: give away as many millions as possible for max amount of exposure early on to attract as many new players as possible. When you have six millionares in one week it creates headlines and it gets noticed by a ton of people. That makes the site a ton of money from new players. Also not sure if they can be caught cause on average the jackpot hits as often as it should but they just increase the chance that week then decrease it over the next time period however long that is.

Pokerstars had employees keep silent about miscoding banking statements and fooling, tricking and deceiving banks. You might be surprised princess. I know your livelihood is at stake, but just remember I told you, whether it's one employee or several, chances are good hands are able to be dealt at choosing after the shuffle with help of third party software, or internally developed. A random shuffle never guarantees a fair game.A shuffle is only ONE component of an overall deal. The cards still have to be distributed to the players, this is where trickery can happen.

Connecting Black Friday with possible and deliberate fixing of the RNG? What's next, 9/11 theories and that nobody was on the moon? It's funny how you always write a lot and say nothing at all, let alone provide any evidence.

Yet, people believe Stars rigs tournaments like that in the way you say is stupid. Riggies believe all kinds of things, some would say your unusual Spin and Go beliefs (which apparently thinks something fishy is going on because too many million dollar games happened) would be stupid.

Rigging in the hands would be easy to detect using database analysis programs. Altering the odds of the other multipliers would be detected as well as discussed before.

Well, the problem with your theory concept is that the same type of theory can be made no matter how many times the jackpots hit. If they hit too many times then you have your beliefs. If they go a while without hitting you get people thinking they are cheating players. If they hit "about right" then you have people believing they do it for people from certain countries or players.

No matter how often they hit they will have theories of how it shows they are rigged. That is simple paranoia, nothing more.


So your proof of a 15+ long secret involving hundreds or thousands of people for many sites now long dead is talking about another "secret" which apparently you have full information about. I never quite understood the "nobody ever tells or finds out and now let me tell you an example of when it was found out" logic flow, but perhaps it is just one facet of your "empirical observation" skill set.

As I see it - you demonstrated that secrets are indeed hard to keep, and the one you are talking about would be relatively easy to do compared to all the sites paying programmers to keep quiet all these years.

I appreciate you want the industry to fail and all those within it to fail, and it is not hard to understand why someone like you has those feelings. Those feelings are hardly new as many before you have come with them and many after you will also come to share their personal frustrations, so if it makes you feel better, even when you vanish you will be replaced by someone else.

All the best.

Jackpot would never be detected ever cause it happens so rarely you can just blame "variance". Not sure why u bother mention countries or players. Definitely not rigging any hands either that i have never said either. It is not part of my theory at all lol. Anyways, looking at the numbers from that six millionares week something smells fishy BUT it is whatever. No way will ever find out. When a site can make millions without getting busted there is a decent chance of it happening. To acknowledge that is not paranoia haha.

It must be rigged
MY AA just got felted by AQ
Theres goes 2 bucks

Programmers don't have to keep secrets, they are paid to come in set up a program and leave. They are not long term employees. If the site has a problem they call a programmer (not one in particular) and they come and fix the issue and leave.
This is no different than a big company calling a plumber to come and fix a leak, anyone that think someone has multiple programmers sitting around the clock rigging hands and no one has come out about this is an idiot.
All it would take is one person with 100% proof that a poker site tried to do this and they would have zero customers the next day. This risk versus reward is just not there?
If programmers were paid to rig the hands you would have them black mailing poker stars left and right for absurd amounts of money.
When you can make 5 million a day legally why would you risk your whole company to make 10 million a day illegally knowing if you were caught the 5 million is gone forever? Please explain this to me.

lol yes but only programmers would fix the issues , none of the sites in question mainly 888 is my biggest because they simply refuse to listen. but they don't have programmers fixing software issues, no effing way they employ people to look at the layout of the brand . hence why they are operated and under full control of ddos protection services, and other monitors in place to supercede any attempts to break into servers. etc

The main concern you should also be taking note on is the very fact iovation had a fraud detection tool , I call it screen scraping to the computer technicians but anyway you mash it up its obvious they use any number of propriety tools and services to look at your desktop and computer usage through the software .

I don't know what other anti-fraud detections are in place but there are probably a number , like iovation said we are checking your computers for fraud ,or actually what they should have said is we are actively monitoring your computer with the overall intent of looking at your hole cards and stealing all your money and through this method.

but when you study government control systems and allay that with the military and so forth ,any number of people along with Microsoft themselves can delve into your computer and spy on you no matter if your simply browsing or playing poker online.

as for the software , if it was designed for everyone to win then whats the point of putting the software platform out there? the sites operators would never the less be broke in no time at all .

but whatever all you peoples will still be arguing the toss in another 10 years or so,.

and the big blind bug on 888 has still not been fixed in 8 years, how is it that these employable 888 staff can give a product brand the the ok when id deally its stealing pots from players in situations it shouldn't do in the first place.

also 888 they have support staff that hinder clients to deposit money, that alone is not seen as run as honest as it all seems. plus the fact about the currency conversion still is stealing money from players , yet they don't fix any issue at all . and the good staff have left the company .

888 will fall soon enough , just a matter of time as well before persons colluding on that site eventually get found out . they do nothing 888 but stick by the cheating in house.

Hi guys,

Yesterday in the evening something crazy started happening at the microstakes 36 MTT SNG tables in 888 poker.
Suddenly, it was no longer possible to join the tables as the error message informed that 'the table is already full', nevermind the lobby information that there were plenty of seats left. Irritated, I tried to fast-click myself into a tournament and got in, yay.

Then I noticed that the whole lobby suddenly got full with dudes from the UK that have strangely similar usernames, as if an algorithm generated them. See for yourself:

bit. ly/2cVTyrd

After that my attention was stolen by the brightly red flashing table next to the lobby where the previously mentioned gentlemen decided to perform a mass ritual of sorts (all happened instantly and for every round until only 'real' players were left).
What to make of this I'll leave to yourself. This continued to happen on at least 3 next tournaments of the same kind.

There are 13 "Z" names there, and maybe 2 look similarish, whoopty do? Is it against the rules to use random gibberish for an account name? This is literally pure gibberish, sorry.

It's not programmers, it's internal software that is possessed that intercepts the deal after the shuffle and can essentially "re deal", it has nothing to do with the "shuffle". It works like dealing face up and you need special credentials to log in to this software and it's only available on "selected " computer in heavily secure office room.

Rigtards gonna rigtard, I guess.

It's not programmers who program the internal software, it's the internal software progr.... eh people. Doh.

cheating is happening no doubt online by sites. there is too much money on the line and the end is coming. Two team pros were handed tournament victories first streams on twitch. Here is a look at cheating by a popular game show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BvFqfcVSEY

Doesn't it remind you of the flicker of your favorite online poker site on all in river that magically hits to screw you over.

LOL @ the "cheating" video.

Life must suck for people who think they (and everyone else) are being cheated at every turn.

Actually, that empowers them in the belief they see the hidden truths that evade the sheeple masses.

What you call a ritual we call the intellectual decompression chamber. You saw nothing. Move along son.

LOL, that's awesome.

Thanks Bobo! Im done here for the day then. Im going out on a high note like George Costanza. See you tomorrow guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIzei3vAqRY

Not at all, usually the flop and rivers,not the turn

great ep - take 2 days for that one.

in poker, there are no small hands, just small hearts. ha-ha-ha-ha!

all right! that's it for me.

It's quite clear Pokerstars can effect outcomes of hands. Jamie Staples is not only not a great player but a pretty bad one and he wins a tournament his first night on twitch. Same with the other prize child Somerville. This was obviously fixed to happen, to create a snowball effect, a buzz, and to create momentum. That's a tactic used frequently with this company. It's not a theory, it's a fact. These players DID win first night on twitch which is recognized as the last hope and future to grow online poker. it's common sense to draw parallels.Too bad it looks very obvious now considering Staples is a terrible player. Couldn't keep the run good on forever, it might be overwhelmingly obvious when analyzing his live play vs online and see how much he was being helped. As soon as the guy turned team pro his graph looked like Amaya stock when it purchased Pokerstars, LOL