Had to rage log off Bovada again. happens every time I play. Lost a stack to a small set vs AA who called my large 3 bet .. whatever that's pretty normal. But I had to log off after I flop a full house (I had 44 on a 994 flop) and then the other guy who is playing 97o rivered a higher full house with a 7. How does this always happen. My big hands are almost never good when called down to the river.

How come so many think poker is "always" an enjoyable game all the time. It's mostly misery and hard work while being haunted by pareidolia.

Have you ever considered just playing the second best hand? The second best hand seems to always hit on the river, that has to be the easiest exploit to print lots of money right?

yeah right! I can't deal with the anonymous #'s on Bovada, I have a feeling they use superusers to win the top tourneys and share hole cards.

It doesn't.

Well, no wonder you keep playing there!

This is pretty much exactly my experience as well. The part which really caught my eye was in your previous post where you say you had to rage quit... AGAIN. This is how it ends up with me as well, I start out giving it all the benefit of the doubt, just chilling and going with the cards/bluff/people whatever, but no matter what you do (aside from perma-fold) there will just be hand after hand of either zero flops or miracle flops, to which the river cards flips the deck waaay to much for rational play.

I'm pretty old-school. I used to get to grips with the bonkers nature of Hold'em by just dealing out cards on a table and seeing which hand won, all very low tech and labour intensive, but a lot of fun. By doing this you can very quickly see how practically any hand can win over any other hand (7 2 off versus AA, for example) and how good/bad luck streaks happen even when there's no players.

The difference between the above method and reality is that in reality a vast number of those hands wont go into the pot. Of a table of 10 players you normally get at least 50% folds, of those that stick around to see the flop, another batch fold on seeing the flop. Etc. So, in reality, the likelyhood of the 7 2 off beating the aces is much rarer than the statistical likelyhood, because most people will have folded that hand.

Internet poker teaches people to stick it out to the river though, because, like you and me, we see rivers flipping hands... every single day. That means everyone else is seeing it too. And statistically the river can have the likelyhood of flipping hands, but what marks out the internet poker software is the sheer frequency of its occurrence, and often in very 'tilting' ways.

Like you it's not all about me, I observe it from all hands on the table. Some guy will be dumping money after the flop and it'll be obvious you'll need a hand to go against it. Some guy keeps calling, probably looking for the flush or gut-shot or whatever, but all of a sudden the second guy is raising even though the flush hasn't landed. When they turn over the lead had Ace Queen with a Queen high flop and the other guy's 'rivered it' with the two river cards being 9 5 to his 9 5 in his hand or whatever.

And what makes it so jarringly noticeable is that these statistical improbabilities, very often 5% rivers, will be coming at 3 or 4 per hour, and not just that they come so frequently, but they come to the chaser when there's only two hands left after everyone else has folded after the flop, and, on top of this, the chaser usually has diddly squat until the rivers start turning.

Bad Beats are remarkable because there's something quasi-unjust about them, that's why they have their nickname whereas other types of wins/loses don't. Another version of the term might be Sucking Out. It's kind of like when a tennis player hits the net and the ball dribbles over the net making the reply impossible - the winning player apologises to the loser because it was a bit of a Bad Beat. But just spending an hour in an on-line poker room and you'll see Bad Beat after Bad Beat after Bad Beat until you can't rationalise it anymore - and rage quit. Or 'Tilt' as the in-word probably is.

As per usual it's very difficult to put into actual words, and so easy for the nay sayers to say any ol' rubbish to refute the 'superstition' or whatever today's buzzword is, but the fact that I can read your post and know exactly what you're talking about without even knowing the full details of each and every hand nor how long you were playing or any etc is, for me, proof enough that it's all at least a bit fishy.

So Dingbatty, how are you going to act on this obvious rig and make lots of money from it? And don't forget to keep playing.

Hi Kelvis, it's not really possible to take advantage of the above issues from what I can tell. The chaser doesn't always hit and the lead can sometimes pull through, it's all very subtle in its unsubtlety. If you enjoy seeing that kind of thing all the time, fair play to you, I wouldn't want to knock what you enjoy. I just don't enjoy faux-poker.

Once again I reached my limit fairly quickly, just a few weeks. I've cashed out and am gone again for a while, ever hoping that one day someone will release a 'normal' poker site. I was up when I quit, so if you want to do it just for the money you could always try the n00b-rush method, I've never lost a cent on any of the sites since the second one I tried

It's obvious enough to notice but too subtle to not be able to exploit it? You're like a fortune teller, they can predict what is going to happen but if you want to put it in a testable environment they resort to "not always, too subtle, doesn't work like that, having a bad day" etc. The common factor is lack of intelligence.

Yup that must be what it is Kelvis. If that's what you want to believe, who am I to shatter your fantasy

Ok so that's at least 1 riggie that changed his mind. May many more follow.

I'm shocked that after Dingbatty whined about me not responding to his rigged theories, and I take the time to give him a long response, there is nothing but crickets.

He made it clear he is a great player who rage quits after he fails to exploit an easy to exploit rig that he believes he sees with his own eyes. That is the problem people like him have when they supposedly play poker for fun...

Standard weak player tiltmonkey stuff in the end, nothing more.

We look forward to your next wall of pointless text, ignoring everything that has been said previously.

If online poker is rigged its party poker. The crap I have seen on 10 fast forward tables this month has been mind blowing. Clearly lots of bots playing and 50bb or less stacks are unbeatable. They flop sets and 2 pair on me non stop or have aa kk when I have QQ AKs on button. Its just unbelievable, joke site

That is true. But you can allways allso play 50bb or under and get that godrun pp provides. They don't let fullstacks win on regural basis everybody knows that.

I haven't been on here for months. Glad u all still got me in your mind

As is so often the case, I don't think these words mean what you think they mean.

Also, you probably shouldn't be too glad that you're still remembered by someone for how terrible your posts were.

And what was the reason for that again? Remind me, I forgot.

That makes me feel better, at least I'm not the only one.

One thing I have noticed is how 90% of the time that I flop or turn the nuts, PP villains check fold, but when I have air or weak hand they triple barrel bomb. Just keeps happening over and over, so hard to ever get paid. I log into PS zoom and they are throwing money at me.

Here a few hands with lines that just seem very weird to me especially for 10nl

DINGBATTY suffers more B/Bs than the average player because he plays from the lead.
Not that any of you trolls would understand that.

So?

23,000 posts and you have a general grasp of the words SO and WHAT .
Gobble me .

Well, 80%+ of my posts are in strategy forums. I care about those more.

Here:

You said something; and

I said "So?"

and you said: "Gobble me"

I don't think you are on the brink of anything great. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm making an educated guess.

Best way to improve my game is to never play on pp ever again. 180k hands so far on 10 FF, and not a single winning day, not one. Even the biggest fish win sometimes through variance, but just crushed every day yet I beat 10 zoom over big sample.

Again today getting destroyed by short stacks, no matter what hand I have i lose to them post flop if they call me. They consistently hit sets when I have AA KK, they call 3bets with 30bb stacks to hit sets with 3s, I can understand this bs happening sometimes but 180k hands is a big sample.

When ever I have medium hand or draw (which miss 95%) the regs barrel and go crazy but when I flop or turn the nuts they check fold, not even one Cbet. It literally feels they can see my cards, never felt so cheated in my life.

I still play some zoom while I am doing this summer of grind and every session I win, it seems easy but soon as I open up PP the bs starts its like a switch, funny this 'variance' only follows me on one piece of software.

PP is as dodgy as hell.