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04-29-2014 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ONLINE-POKER-RIGED
ITS TRUE
No point in guessing who you are..
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04-29-2014 , 05:16 AM
You may remember when Absolute poker was shut down by the FBI for having superusers on the site? well i used to play on Absolute poker and i deposited plenty of times!! and then later i find out it was all rigged and set up, where is the money i deposited!? i never got the money i deposited back!? and then full tilt got shut down for a while to, i also never received my money back!? so i strongly believe that all poker sites are rigged just like how absolute poker was but with big sites like pokerstars and 888, it is hard to prove it is rigged.. i put in over $3,000 into pokerstars i know it is god damn rigged! and i will never see that money back! just like the money i put on absolute poker and then it got shut down from the FBI for being rigged with superusers! i never got my money bACK!
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04-29-2014 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ONLINE-POKER-RIGED
You may remember when Absolute poker was shut down by the FBI for having superusers on the site? well i used to play on Absolute poker and i deposited plenty of times!! and then later i find out it was all rigged and set up, where is the money i deposited!? i never got the money i deposited back!? and then full tilt got shut down for a while to, i also never received my money back!? so i strongly believe that all poker sites are rigged just like how absolute poker was but with big sites like pokerstars and 888, it is hard to prove it is rigged.. i put in over $3,000 into pokerstars i know it is god damn rigged! and i will never see that money back! just like the money i put on absolute poker and then it got shut down from the FBI for being rigged with superusers! i never got my money bACK!
He lost a bet to his 15 year old buddys, now he has to spam the forums...poor guys.
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04-29-2014 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ONLINE-POKER-RIGED
You may remember when Absolute poker was shut down by the FBI for having superusers on the site?
No, it wasn't.

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well i used to play on Absolute poker and i deposited plenty of times!! and then later i find out it was all rigged and set up, where is the money i deposited!?
They stole it.
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i never got the money i deposited back!? and then full tilt got shut down for a while to, i also never received my money back!?
Your money was spent by the former owners of Full Tilt Poker. However, PokerStars stepped in an provided money for all Full Tilt Poker account holders to be paid their account balances. What country are you in?
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04-29-2014 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
No, it wasn't.


They stole it.

Your money was spent by the former owners of Full Tilt Poker. However, PokerStars stepped in an provided money for all Full Tilt Poker account holders to be paid their account balances. What country are you in?
Is Pokerstars able to capture screenshots of players for security purposes?

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Originally Posted by ONLINE-POKER-RIGED
I believe that they have a bunch of preloaded scenarios that are chosen randomly to speed up game play..

in a normal game of poker, everything is random, the shuffling is random and yeah all the cards are random.

But with online poker, every hand is preloaded, they have a bunch of preloaded scenarios, and then one scenario is chosen randomly.

which speeds up the game play!

IT IS NOT RANDOM!
This couldn't be more true in tournaments. From the 7th blind level and up in tournaments my ratio of getting dealt ace queen vs say ak is probably 20-1 and usually in a blind than lose. Force fed rig

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04-29-2014 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Is Pokerstars able to capture screenshots of players for security purposes?
No.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Michael J
Hi,

I can confirm that PokerStars has neither the ability nor desire to take screenshots from player PCs. We think that doing so would be an invasion of player privacy: presumably, some players will be doing their private banking, reading personal emails, or all sorts of different things on their PCs at the same time as player poker. Of course, I can only speak for PokerStars on this issue.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Michael J
PokerStars cannot take screenshots of whatever is on your screen while the client is running. We have no interest, capability or desire to do so: Basically, we don't want PokerStars to get into the business of trying to monitor people's internet browsing habits.

What a player looks at on the internet - while playing on PokerStars - is their own business. We would expect that some people will be browsing confidential emails, some people doing banking, and some people looking at porn and other private things. We just don't want to even give people the perception that PokerStars would ever intrude into their private activities, and consequently, we don't.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Michael J
It's my understanding that Zone is concerned about us seeing his internet banking password, his private email, and so on. We don't have the ability to see that, and have no inclination to see that stuff.

...

Finally, even if we wanted to do such things, the volume of data would simply overwhelm PokerStars servers - taking screenshots at 4 to 10 mega pixels requires megabytes of uploads each time. Multiply that out by 10 million accounts, all playing reguarly, and it would be simply unmanageable.

Most importantly, however, you can verify all this stuff yourself - Once you're in a game with all lobby windows minimized, a game will average about 10 k download per minute, and 5 k upload (This can vary with the speed of the game).

Each return visit to the main lobby (and opening the software for the first time) will result in a burst download of about 300 KB, and 25 KB uploaded.

There simply isn't sufficient data being sent from the PokerStars client to the PokerStars server to contain screenshots and so on.

Hopefully this puts your mind at ease. We have neither the motive, nor the opportunity, nor even any circumstantial evidence (much less real corroborating evidence!) to 'commit the crime'* that we're being accused of here.

Sincerely,

Michael J
PokerStars Game Security Team
*in this context, take screenshots
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04-29-2014 , 07:04 AM
Thats funny because I once experienced a problem and asked you guys to look at a screenshot while i was playing and was told yes we see you did experience this and was issued a refund. I am not concerned with your "interest" or "desire" to do something. You can always validiate something with a good reason if you want. Implying that it would overwhelm your servers is just not true because are you going to take pictures of all 60000 players online at once?? I have a phone. I can erase pictures, take them and erase them. Defining a capability on this alone is misleading.

My downloads with ONE table open only averaged close to 200k of memory but of course that was when I was suddenly running horrible and than when no tables are even open I get pop ups of previous tables stating " connection to server lost". Almost like there are other things going on. These strange things cost Pokerstars thousands in rake from me because I experienced a lot of shady stuff.

I guess my computer is just scanned on the regular than while I play to slow down the playing experience even more. Better to slow down the playing experience of someone with a low bankroll and cash out frequently than the idiot cheater using a HUD a slowing down the game. Priorities!

That explains the usual high frequency of memory being used with pokerstars one or two tables open and almost 200k of memory. Good thing I don't have 20 tables open Pokerstars would use 1 million g of memory. Redicilous!


http://mattmazur.com/2009/06/13/impr...on-techniques/

UWILLKNOW
October 5, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Pokers stars scanned my machine and sent back data to them.
I used the event log to track it back.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 04-29-2014 at 08:18 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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04-29-2014 , 07:09 AM
How may people do they hire to watch you? What do you do that is actually worth watching? Tons of people want to be watched so perhaps you can charge them for advice on how you and other riggies have gone viral with Pokerstars. Monetize that riggie lifestyle.

Retread riggie/troll - come out to play
Retread riggie/troll - come out to play ay
Retread riggie/troll - come out to play ay!!
Retread riggie/troll - come out to plaaaaay!!!


They are watching you.
They are very bored with you.
Troll better retread.

A riggie haiku.

All the best.

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04-29-2014 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Thats funny because I once experienced a problem and asked you guys to look at a screenshot while i was playing and was told yes we see you did experience this and was issued a refund.
PokerStars routinely uses hand histories to see if players are disconnected from events and eligible for refunds. Obviously, PokerStars has hand histories.

PokerStars does not have the capability or desire to take screenshots.

If you would like to message me your PokerStars User ID, I would be happy to look into that specific situation further.

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I am not concerned with your "interest" or "desire" to do something. You can always validiate something with a good reason if you want. Implying that it would overwhelm your servers is just not true because are you going to take pictures of all 60000 players online at once?? I have a phone. I can erase pictures, take them and erase them. Defining a capability on this alone is misleading.
PokerStars does not have the ability to take screenshots. PokerStars does not want the ability to take screenshots. PokerStars does not need the ability to take screenshots.
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That explains the usual high frequency of memory being used with pokerstars one or two tables open and almost 200k of memory. Good thing I don't have 20 tables open Pokerstars would use 1 million g of memory. Redicilous!
I was referring to bandwidth above - data transferred from your computer to PokerStars servers.
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http://mattmazur.com/2009/06/13/impr...on-techniques/

UWILLKNOW
October 5, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Pokers stars scanned my machine and sent back data to them.
I used the event log to track it back.
An anonymous and unknown commenter makes a claim that PokerStars "scanned [their] machine". I don't know what they're specifically claiming (after all, there is obviously some data that is sent to the PokerStars server) but not screenshots. PokerStars does not have the ability or desire to take screenshots of player computers.
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04-29-2014 , 09:07 AM
Josems patience is amazing. Watching him and greenwallet converse is like watching a mathematician try to explain long division to a monkey that constantly responds only by throwing and eating his own feces.
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04-29-2014 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Josems patience is amazing. Watching him and greenwallet converse is like watching a mathematician try to explain long division to a monkey that constantly responds only by throwing and eating his own feces.
Tad harsh on the monkey.
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04-29-2014 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Watching him and greenwallet converse is like watching a mathematician try to explain long division to a monkey that constantly responds only by throwing and eating his own feces.
Hardest I've laughed at a post in quite a while; well done.

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04-29-2014 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Josems patience is amazing. Watching him and greenwallet converse is like watching a mathematician try to explain long division to a monkey that constantly responds only by throwing and eating his own feces.
Here comes Golem, right up the arse of PS as usual.

I find it just as amusing asking loaded questions I already know the answers too.


Start the countdown until the next lost actor gets guidance to the strategy threads
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04-29-2014 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Here comes Golem, right up the arse of PS as usual.

I find it just as amusing asking loaded questions I already know the answers too.


Start the countdown until the next lost actor gets guidance to the strategy threads
You can't even make a single post without making some sort of ******ed English mistake.

You are a stupid human, at the bottom of the human race, and you will never accomplish anything of note.
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04-29-2014 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
You can't even make a single post without making some sort of ******ed English mistake.

You are a stupid human, at the bottom of the human race, and you will never accomplish anything of note.
I speak 4 languages, how many do you speak? Thats what I though dummy.
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04-29-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
I speak 4 languages, how many do you speak? Thats what I though dummy.
*That's
*thought

I speak one language. If you are counting English as one of the four languages you "speak", that's definitely a bit questionable.


Continue your standard feces throwing/eating now. Moron.
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04-29-2014 , 06:04 PM
Where is the other shills to chime in there two cents. Otatop? Wiki? 5thstreet? sorry, otatop, V$pip, come on guys, you don't get a day off.
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04-29-2014 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Where is the other shills to chime in there two cents. Otatop? Wiki? 5thstreet? sorry, otatop, V$pip, come on guys, you don't get a day off.
Where are the other shills to chime in their two cents? Otatop? Wiki? 5thstreet? Sorry, otatop, V$pip, come on guys, you don't get a day off.




I promise you can do it if you work reeeeally hard at it.
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04-29-2014 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
Where is the other shills to chime in there two cents. Otatop? Wiki? 5thstreet? sorry, otatop, V$pip, come on guys, you don't get a day off.
You ignored the couple times I tried baiting you into a troll fight you know you cannot win, so good shill selection on your part, given the last time you tried to speak to me you ended up self banning yourself. You even leave me off your little troll lists, because you know when you are beat.

Other riggies/trolls should learn from you and quit all forms of poker and also quit all attempts to be a better troll to me than I am to your kind.

Your trolling still needs work, even if many of these other shills take you too seriously. Imagine what you could do to them if you were more clever, though do not give up the 5 year old spelling errors as those seem to annoy some shills. Go with "looser" when you can, and add random semi-colons.

All the best.
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04-29-2014 , 08:37 PM
I am here for amusement. It is very easy to manipulate you riggies in to false assumptions. This is why i am good at poker.

You are down 2$ for the year on Stars. I am up 5 digits and counting$ And I play part time for fun, poker consumes your life. Monteroy is probably the best at poker out of you shills too which doesn't say much for you others but I understand your game is this game in the threads. You're not "poker players", just "players" Industry tribal dancers.
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04-29-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
I am here for amusement. It is very easy to manipulate you riggies in to false assumptions. This is why i am good at poker.

You are down 2$ for the year on Stars. I am up 5 digits and counting$ And I play part time for fun, poker consumes your life. Monteroy is probably the best at poker out of you shills too which doesn't say much for you others but I understand your game is this game in the threads. You're not "poker players", just "players" Industry tribal dancers.
Who are you talking to?
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04-29-2014 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
game of threads
Coming soon to HBO
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04-29-2014 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Who are you talking to?
Whom!
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04-29-2014 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by greenwallet
I am here for amusement.
At least try to be amusing then.

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Originally Posted by greenwallet
I am up 5 digits and counting$ And I play part time for fun
You must be awesome at poker, and it represents free money for you. Why are you so bitter ?
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04-29-2014 , 08:55 PM
Because I believe Pokerstars doesn;t run a fair game based on my experiences there and I would like a FULL audit. They also keep secrets, give false information and are a very sneaky business.
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