300 more hands, 2 more quads. Total 5 quads and 1 Royal flush in 2 days/1000 hands. Will post the funniest one here (the one against me)




How beautiful is it not ?

Pls stop being site's b1*ch3s, if u don't think it's at least "unusual" then gt*o because it is and ignoring it doesn't change it or makes you a better player. If you don't think it's rigged why you come here ? to try to humiliate others ? is you self-esteem that low ?

Post the entire hand histories of each from your hand database in this thread. I assume you use a program like Holdem Manager - right? If so they will be very easy to retrieve.

Understand that some riggies have claimed thing like aces losing 20 times in a row, so hard to really take any claim seriously without some evidence - riggies lie a lot.

Why would a site rig it so quads and royals comes up all the time, that would be a pretty stupid rig, especially hands like the single one you have a screenshot where a single king would do the job. Are the sites trying to show off the rig or something?

All the best.

But whining/venting about it does?

There's no need to humiliate the riggies as *cough* most of them take care of that themselves, which is quite enjoyable at times.

Is that a freeroll ?

You still don't quite get it. It's not that posts merged into this thread "are unproven [and] don't deserve mature debate/discussion", it's that posts merged into this thread are basically just "It's rigged, I've seen it!" in some form or another. It's not that they're unproven, it's that the people making them don't even understand what proof would be and have no desire to learn. The vast majority of riggies are essentially just trolls, so of course mods are going to be in favor of an area that basically contains them.

So by not posting, you are demonstrating that you feel you can't engage someone in a mature manner, for whatever reason? How does anyone know you have even read their post and are making your demonstration?

I'm glad you're not a mod. The mods are called all sorts of names, but most agree that total censorship of a particular topic isn't the way to go. If someone is willing to stand up against the vast majority and give reasonable reasons for their theories, they should be allowed to state them. If they turn out to be nonsensical and based only upon gut feelings, then being poked with a sharp stick is probably something they accepted they might experience by poking their heads above the parapet. Anyone who states their theory well and backs it up with reasonable "evidence", even if that evidence has been misinterpreted, should expect to be treated seriously; and I, as one of the current batch of unpaid, volunteer mods, will try to ensure that he is not poked too much.

yes, VIP freeroll. Does that change anything ? Cause 888 network is so lame that they have R&A VIP Tourneys, which means they get most of the freerolls money back and they probably even rake rebuys and adds.

yes, you are like my free psychologist, where I can say all kinds of cr4p and you'll actually read it and answear back. Now seriously, stop trying to build you forum reputation so that you can be the coolest guy on an online forum by posting on our (riggies[cute name]) thread.

Post all the quad hands details (screenshots, hand histories with numbers) and the royal flush hand so we can see they all exist for this freeroll royal/quad riggie theory. Just go to your database program and dig them out, which is easy with some filtering.

All the best.

I believe him.

AlmostShark, can you please post the five quads and Royal Flush in one thousand hands so these guys will know that you arent just a complete liar.

It it unlikely that their whole business and the world in general revolves around you, but you never know, although there would be nothing to gain monetarily by doing this perhaps they indeed rigged that freeroll against you out of spite caused by dislike of your screen name or the city you are from.

Thanks.

The thing I love about 2+2 is that the forum is full intelligent individuals. It's obvious looking at sentence structure and vocabulary use that far surpasses what mine will ever be. I admit after first signing up and reading a handful of threads that I felt a little intimated.

But if you are one of those stubborn players who already have their mind made up and refuse to use the free info that is splattered all over 2+2 by people smarter then (than? lol see above ) you, your game will never improve. Crying rig is nothing more then an easy way to escape self blame.

Stop posting ITT. It's a lose, lose situation.

Stop taking offense to blunt and supposedly harsh serious replies in the strat forums. If anything, it's both refreshing and honest.


FFS stop biting the hand that feeds you and try shaking it instead.

Well, it does raise the question as to how the site profits from running a rigged game when they are giving away the same amount regardless.

So, freerolls are rigged too?

This is new even for riggies. Maybe I should browse this thread more often for gold of this quality.

Rigged freerolls has been a riggie staple forever. It's also quite common to see claims that play money tables are rigged.

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I saw 5 more quads and 1 royal flush last 2 days, PT4 was off. Believe me or not it's the truth. Just finished a freeroll in 1/1300, congratulate me

I never said any site was rigged. Just said it wasn't pure poker, not random.
If you wanna comment go read what others say first otherwise shut up cause we won't need it.

In a freeroll situation where many players see the flop almost every hand, and then the ones who hit anything go to showdown, these numbers are not out of line. Like most rigged claims, this one is based on ignorance of probability.

At full ring (10 players) if nobody every folded we'd see quads about 17 times per 1000 hands. In the loose game conditions I described, seeing less than a third of that number seems pretty normal.

And in a no-fold game we'd also see a royal about every 3000 hands. So in any given thousand hand stretch in a loose game, it isn't all that unlikely to see one. Might happen 1 out of 10 times or so (of watching 1000 freeroll hands).

Yeah, but as a rule of thumb, I tend to dismiss anything riggies say about what they saw as a fabrication until I actually see documentation.

I didnt bother looking at the hands, but assuming they are legit, at least this new guy actually wasnt lying about his beats and the hands he saw. Thats a step in the right direction. It at least gives you the chance to write what you did above and have some sort of dialog fwiw. As apposed to most of these guys that start their debate off by lying and inventing stories.


Actually you at least implied it was rigged.

When you asked a poster if he doesnt believe its rigged then why does he come here, were you not implying that he has no reason to be here if he doesnt think its rigged, as apposed to you, who has a reason to be in the rigged thread because you believe poker is rigged?

Given that prior implication, your response to Alien seems somewhat off base and douchy.

a year on bovada and my intuition tells me something is up. been winning the whole time. im up way over 100x my initial buyin

and im about to read every single page of this thread starting now.... GO

does it matter if they are rigged if they dont pay you? lol

Been studying more and more every day for a year. Increasing winnings steadily throughout. Still believe same level of riggedness.

I feel like I lost brain cells from reading this.

this deserves a repost

problem is "100,000+ hands" i play that in less than two months usually" How much time are you putting in if you have only played 100,000+ hands.

There are sites dedicated to botting and poker. My biggest concern is bots. For example, is shanky bot a threat?

I'd think unless they had a supercomputer hooked up to each bot, that the human brain of any good player would be able to outsmart them all over the long term.

Just so you know, you can just type what you want to say, and the profanity filter will take care of what isn't allowed. When you do it yourself, you just look a little silly when you censor things you don't need to, and you get in trouble when you only partially filter out a word that isn't allowed - it looks like you're circumventing the filter. So you can just type...

bitches
gtfo
crap

What is this even supposed to mean? People shouldn't visit any topic they don't agree with? Forums are where people discuss things, and they don't all agree.

Umm...that's pretty much the precise definition of rigging as most people understand it.

But if you're making a distinction between a flawed deal that isn't rigged on purpose and one that is rigged intentionally, yes, you did pretty much say that too:

And now that I reread that post, I see that you are big on profanity filter circumvention, so enough of that please. The word **** doesn't even make sense in pretty much any of those sentences anyway. Unless fkn and fk are interchangeable for you I guess.

Yes, all bots are a threat.

As far as the severity of the threat with the bot you mentioned with regards to its effectiveness at the tables, it would depend on who programmed it. As those bots are sort of primitive programmable shells sorta speak iirc.

It's cool if you want to go back and read the entire thread, but replying to 6 year old posts is pretty pointless; a lot of the posters won't ever see your reply, and the jokes won't always make sense. And the rest of us don't want to read a few hundred of your posts in a row as you get caught up.

It was too logical for you?

Most people are never going to read more than 50 pages of this anyways. I will respect that as best I can.

It was not not not too logical for me. :-P

imho i think online poker companies are run by humans who are susceptible to greed no matter how rich they get like almost all other humans. evidence is found throughout a general knowledge of the world.

Wow 5thstreethog you have read the whole thread. sick. Do you think it isn't rigged as i suspect?