finally monteroy admits to bullying.

Hello Josem sir can we just get some facts here .

You alone didnt source out the perpetrators of absolute poker .It wasnt just your efforts that counted !If absolute poker hadnt delievered the excell spreadsheets with ALL the data on I think its reasonable to assume the cheaters would still be going at it to this very day,!!

On a grand scheme of things it seems the people who got out were either dissassociating themselves from the fraud or they were simply jumping out the way with all the loot,Irc scott tom and partners when they got bumped at airport..Wheres the real facts about the server data and the hard drives ,From what I understand theres got to be some hardware lying around somewhere still with names and user accounts and source code in detail.Theres definately something we are all missing here .

Travis is holding back on info so tbf whilst all that is going on half the time were not going to get all the facts , people need to be outed and the truth has got to be said about wheoever was funnelling the money around.simple as that.!ps I dont blame Travis for holding back if he has personal quarms but this is impeeding an ongoing investigation and that what counts.

The software I was using let me see the code in some quite clear detail.But as you said your not particularly interested in anything I say are you josem sir.

Btw Josem sir ,I do have a particular interest in the way you pronounced "deviation from the norm" That just shows a slight tinge of class about you josem sir..ps I wasnt having a go at you in the last post ,I was just trying to explain to you some things.

In all seriousness I lost a bundle on that site ,it makes me sick to imagine why I kept on getting beat uo in those games so sickly. Seemed like I found a flaw in thier system and hey presto I was winning at an alarming rate ,Unfortunately I never won enough to cash any of it out..But it proved my theory about the card data coming down through my home network on the modem logs..You wont listen though ,you wont even reason with me which is why im a bit baffled.

You are absolutely right here - I only played one small part. The part that I played was in taking the win rates of the offenders, and comparing them to the records that I had collected from other sites. This was the bit that proved beyond any reasonable doubt that there was cheating.

No, you are wrong. I proved that there was cheating before the spreadsheets were made available.
There is certainly more to the whole investigation than just the hand histories, and the hand histories obviously do not provide information on real money transfers, the name/address of the accout owner, and so on.

However, the hand histories did show enough information to conclusively prove that there was cheating - not just once at Absolute Poker, but also entirely independently at Ultimate Bet.
No, I'm clearly reading what you're writing and considering what you say. Most of what you say is based upon a misunderstanding, and I'm generally happy to help correct your misunderstandings.
To say that I won't reason with you seems a little unfair given how I've replied in significant detail to an awful lot of your messages.

Have you read the threads on this series of events and looked at what the conclusions were BEFORE the fulll stats were released?

You demonstrate your total cluelessness more clearly with every post.

I'm pleased to note it's not just computer science about which you have no idea.

Finally? I have stated many, many times that the fun of this thread is crazy people post their theories (most of which would cost companies money) and I and others have fun making fun of the crazy people.

Some on the shill side take it a bit too seriously, I assure you and other riggies that I have no interest in having you change your mind, rather I prefer you build even grander theories in a fun manner.

Once in a while a riggie will post ideas which show clear signs of genuine mental disease, and I never bully or even reply to those posts (eg: that recent Aaronluv guy). I also ignore complete gimmicks for the most part.



A huge shill conspiracy was involved, or you lack the skills to do basic functions. Wild guess which one you will believe...

Anyway, you seem to be having fun debating your completely impractical rig concept (your rig makes the site no money and is laughable to try to do with thousands of hands on thousands of tables being dealt every second) with many shills, so keep up the good work.

All the best.

If there was a delay attributed to this (which is utterly ridiculous) don't you think the site would buy some more computing power to eliminate it? They invest time and money into developing the software to make a rigged deal undetectable, then pay everybody off to ensure they never tell anybody but leave this glaring fault in? Really?

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO........................

Before theres a mass debate on the scandal that has never seen any such prosecutions/never been told the whole truth in a court of law ,and never In my wildest days of online poker has there ever been a huge power-surge of screw ups by people who clearly wont listen to reason.

The reason you players in here are at best very judgemental ,however when facts speak for themselves and 1 firm called "fulltilt poker" takes in 400 usa million dollars yes guys "400 MILLION US DOLLARS i mean ****** hell 400 USA MILLION DOLLARS ,THATS 400 MILLION OF MONEY COLD HARD USA DOLLAR CASH.400 MILLION LOL OMFG.

What you must ask yourself this Josem and dont stick up for these lame arsed sites is the very fact that the software for each site is lets just put it another word ,"ABSOLUTE ****ING DOG****"....tHE developers know exactly what they want players to install and thats why we as players lose so much "cough cough err 400 million" USA DOLLARS CASH 400 MILLION.!!

Thats why they got crapp cheap AND DODGY unreliable "PAYMENT processors"!.....FAKE ONES TOO.

oNE WORD TO YOU JOSEM SIR ;

............................PANDACHAPENO.......... ......

And among others who are yet to be found out and exploited..

Whilst staff are allowed and are continually allowed to play on the sites then you sir are incoherant of anything decent or honest about the sites intgrity or combustible TRUST..

All of which ,FULLTILT CHEATED PLAYERS , ABSOLUTE/ULTIMATE BET CHEATED PLAYERS .....WHOS NEXT????

You guys need to wake up to the facts that they shouldnt be in buisness fleecing everyone of thier money ."400 million" lmfao .tell jesus to ship that money real soon.!

Why sir are you labelling me a riggie? Im just wondering do you ever stop and think what you are saying? Or do you speed key/auto post right off the top of your head?

Honestly how can you expect any reader to take you seriously when in the middle of making a point of reasoning, you make some derogatory remark about someones personality.

You call it making fun, also known as bullying. We all know the great effects bullying has had on society the last 10 years.

If your so sure that poker is not rigged, why do have to be so disrespectful to make your arguments?

They have proof ,they just wont allow anyone to show it in detail or in actual fact in person at a designated place where it can be shown to be done .

The many "players" in this whole thread go off on a tangent saying its rigged /its not rigged ,however I would envisage the quote" whole idea" unquote of this thread is to supply such information into proving online poker was "rigged".....

To this day not one other person has done or seen what I can do , and yet they question me as a person ,they question my skills with the stuff I know about and can do.They continue to beat me up in my posts contradict everything I seem to add to the argument and without plausible denial they seem to still insist YES ONLINE POKER IS SAFE /ONLINE POKER IS GREAT /YOUR MONEY IS SECURE...

I can safely say Monteroy sir you just shouldnt judge a book by its cover.
And whilst your at it talking the same ignorant **** that you do ,please remember other people have a opinion and one such opinion that speaks more volume than you care to even think about.!

And the same goes for you wiki! I dont find posting illiterate posters of star trek people amusing .You are probably contravening copyright laws doing what your doing at the very least.

Still the way to express your opinion just beefs up this thread..NOT.

big thanks to josem btw ,I can level with that man , I think hes a man of his word on what he does and continues to do. I have time for that person and 1 day perhaps I can show him the stuff I know about.

Either you are a riggie or shill as few others post here, so I went with the odds. If you are a shill that is fine as well, just be sure to pay your union membership dues.


I worry quite a bit less about what I or anyone says in this thread than I do in equivalent situations in pretty much every other aspect of life. Welcome to the human condition where not everything is taken equally seriously from the same person.


You read some of the crazy in this thread and some of the people trying to talk rationally to the crazy? Nothing in this thread can be taken all that seriously, yourself and myself included.



I will be sure to sign the petition that everyone who posts in this thread gets a trophy for participating.

Tell you what though, why don't you show me the proper way to post in this thread - and you can start by having a rational, logical, gentle, non bullying chat with that Aaronluv poster. Put your money where your mouth is if you are going to judge others on their behavior by showing how it should be done.


Because it is fun making fun of crazy in a thread like this. I never care that others believe it is rigged, in fact I encourage them to be more creative in their conspiracy beliefs as most are just so mundane and ineffective.

Welcome to the internet.

All the best.

I have had a 135k stretch of hands recently where if they were the first 135k hands I'd played I would think it was rigged by going through my database. Almost none of the % are within 10 of what they should have evened out to be. I've also noticed a strange happening where as in almost every single time I took a very bad beat in a session for a stack I would get QQ+ right after on one of my other tables. 19 out of 20 times that happened I would be all in pre flop against a smaller pair and lose. I don't ever play more then 6 tables at this time mostly because traffic isn't good enough to In that time I got AA 481 times and got all in with it 280 times pre flop and won 138. KK is similar. My profits with the big pairs are so marginal and almost entirely because of this.

I don't think the sites are rigged I just think people underestimate whats possible. This run caused me to bust my tiny start up roll for the first time in my entire life. I had never once before playing on ACR post black Friday busted a deposit. That was mostly due to tilting because the AA thing wasn't even half of it but I dont have time to go through my entire database again cursing God.

Runs can be worse then anyone imagines and it is perfectly possible that someone could be the best player in the world and lose over the long run. It's very unlikely but calling it impossible shows a complete lack of understanding of 9th grade level math, probability. Any and all situations that could be possible will play out given a long enough sample size and with the amount of hands that have been played online and can be played online then quite literally nothing is impossible in cards. You could get AA 20 hands in a row and lose all 20.


If a poker site was going to be rigged it would only do it in one way. To increase new deposits. The %'s would almost definitely match their expected outcomes. It would just be in placement. You would get big pairs exactly how many times you should and they would win the right amount. Sites wouldn't be stupid enough to make a mistake like that. Anyone saying that's not possible is insane. it's the kind of thing you only have to set up and it can run on any scale with any amount of hands being dealt. I don't think that's happening I'm just saying no theory that involves getting dealt this too often or too few times could ever be the case if a site were to be rigged.

I don't, and haven't "stuck up" for those sites. What AP, UB, and the old FTP did is wrong. The people who did it should be prosecuted. Perhaps we can agree on that?
I agree entirely; staff shouldn't be allowed to play on the sites that they work.
I think that if you lump all online poker sites in together, it fails to reward those that are honest and fails to punish those that are truly dishonest.

If you identify some as honest, then it creates a real market/business reward for "doing the right thing". Not only is differentiating between honest and dishonest itself the morally right thing to do, it's also the practical thing to do to encourage more honesty.


That's kind of you, if you go to EPT London, we can have a chat about this stuff.

I will answer to this post specifically as I have some interest in his post.

I want to add something here ,now I know its been said before by myself and its known ok on previous posts for excuse me if im just repeating myself ,however this post suggests rigging the deal.The data on my cable virgin media modem came down in blocks ok irc blocks of code or packet data, I must reitarate this esp for josem , however what I have discovered is that the blocks of data were consistant with the actual card data being recieved on the poker site ,so could this be the missing source code actually being physically seen on the modem logs? This data comes down port 80 and at various times duringa tourney ,Now the strange thing that I have noticed is that the packets can not be seen by any normal packet analysers so anyone using wireshark or something similar wont have a clue ,This is solely done through the old virgin media cable modem box "BLOCKED PACKETS".

What I find odd is the fact they came down on my lan connection as blocked packet data ,yet I found the blocks of code consistant to ap/ub hands, for example I could detect which hands to keep and which hands to throw away at certain intervals or times, I am sure with a unique piece of invetsigation something could be done , Im not so sure the same thing could be done with the pokerstars servers/fulltilts servers as they may be different ,but the absolute poker servers seemed to have an inbuilt thing to send these blocks of packet loads .Now Im not an expert but I wasnt opening up any other ports for web access and I wasnt browsing ie or any other programs .I was just using the poker site and that is it. I happen to factor in when these attacks came in ,was able to bypass the attacks ,dissconnect from the main client server and then subsequently reconnect with the full knowledge I had avioded the "packet data" that I thought was highly suspect of being corrupt.


Now the above statement is an exact rendition of what I have done and what I believe is correct,although very technical for some players out there because its not just a simple few clicks and turn off/on of the computer , its a bit more complicated that this for example you have to flush the dns cache then delete all unknown hosts records,delete all temp/%temp% andf prefetch files and clear the ssl state.Once reconnected the server load is once again refreshed and is in a usable state until the next array of block data hits your network .Let me just point out that the blocks of data have different IP addresses to the ones of any pokerstars/or poker site or any program we are using on our pcs. Its unique IP addresses solely coming from certain places or from certain people. "research constant ip record 58.218.204.110."

This is one of the offending IP addresses which may or may not be spoofed by the sites software.

There is more that I am working on ,I just wanted to explain ,not that I havent already many many times. sincerely Aaron.

Im not a circuit player ,I have been to london ept once with stars before got there 6 hours late by alla counts....would love to take a visit though,I thankyou for the invitation and its only 70 miles away from where i currently live .,however I would need a technical guy from virgin to help me as they have now made thier old modems redundant which now obfuscates the data slightly and hamperes my ongoing investigations...

But thanks Josem ,appreciate the fact .I actually spent a lot of time in the past talking to players like mark seif and head of security mark kandler at absolute ,but i kinda think they thought I was too much of an airhead/screwloose....Still thats thier opinion.

I don't think PokerStars communicates on port 80

No josem I am talking specifically about the absolute poker software .

What I am interested in is the actual data being delivered prior to when they changed ssl ,in other words when the code was being sent in xor form....This may explain the data packet loads,who knows as I said im no expert but I was just reseaching this stuff out ,have been on it for about 6 years now on and off.

I get a solid piece bit by bit even if its just a security advisory or now exploit to look out for in say for example java or adobe flash...
If theres as issue I try to get right on it,just saying thats how committed I have been to working out a fix/solve the case in my mind that the sites are not playing fair.
I can understand it being on a hosted network but if you think back in the days of when 1 person at the table had full control then you might understand my point in hindsight here.
Long gone are those days probably but the case in point has me second guessing myself.

Wrong, wrong wrong!! If I'm so wrong and offensive why do you get so excited, derogatory and abusive? You do realize that behavoir tends to make people suspicious of your motives!?

If I were one of you abusive shills I might be a little more carefeul. Bullying laws are evolving all around the world and I would think you wouldn't want an abundance of evidence against you to be available here.

Can we not to keep the debate civil or MUST you try to intimidate anyone who scratches at the truth?

So Stars put some players funds in segregated managed trust accounts in jurisduications where it was legally REQUIRED AFTER black friday and other jurisdictions are considering similar requirements because they also do not trust Pokersite(s).
That, and it will make taxation more cost effective.

I'm so relieved that Stars is looking out for us!

And you didn't PROVE ****! You spotted an anomally that was queried and tested but wasn't proved until hand histories were released in a format that SHOWED that the site COULD actually see all hold cards, despite their denials - just like Pokersite maintains that is it IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to see others hold cards. That's B-S and we all know it!

Of maybe they can comfortably say that because the server is not a 'someone' or a 'no one'

NEWSFLASH... This just in...

If you suspect PokerStars and other online poker companies of rigging deals, withdraw all your cash and get all your friends to withdraw their cash. Email PokerStars support and say you will only re-deposit when they provide independent proof from at least three sources outside the industry that their deals are genuinely random.

That is the only way rigging is ever going to stop.

If you believe deals are not manipulated to generate as much profit for PokerStars and other poker sites as possible, good luck to you. Oh and go and see a doctor to get your head examined.

OK, shills (and trainee shills like Wiki). You can carry on now.

Unless I am mistaken, and I could well be, wasn't the situation at Full Tilt nothing to do with being rigged, but a case of them siphoning off money to the senior management of the company when it should have been put to one side because it was the players money that should have been held in a bank account.

Whilst the actions of FTP were totally illegal and immoral, it doesn't prove the software was rigged and robbing players.

Yes, granted, it brings into question the integrity of the company and if they will steal money from plaeyrs they will of course have no morals about rigging a deal if it could be done, but its not conclusice evidence that they did/are rigging the software.

So whilst I agree there are questions about the integrity of FTP, this doesn't amount to proof that they are rigging the software.

Two questions - have you had previous accounts on 2+2, and have you posted in the NVG UB thread ?

Calling out your wrong or stupid posts isn't intimidation, it's honesty. This is another example of you showing off just how ignorant you are. Josem's charts PROVED AP and UB had people winning at an impossibly huge rate, 10+ standard deviations above everyone else.

But please, keep explaining how Stars has a rig so ****ty it causes their system to lag, and you can somehow spot it but no one with PT4 or HEM's ever been able to pin it down.
Not that you've set the bar very high, but this is the smartest thing you've ever posted.

'wrong' 'stupid' 'ignorant'...who's setting bars

Super deep, man. Keep making asinine posts.

Maybe I am just a ridiculous genius, but it immediately occurred to me that if for some reason they can't get rid of the lag time on the "rigged hands" they could program the software to lag exactly the same on the "non-rigged" hands. Then it doesn't look like lag time, but instead just looks like how long it normally takes to deal.

Is this a joke?


What tax benefit are you talking about? I tend to be interested in this type of thing in general. But I don't know what you are referring to here. Thanks.