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Old 07-22-2008, 06:36 AM   #26
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

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...and all crap i met in cash games.
NOW the truth comes out lol!

Cash games are much tougher than sit and gos and you will probably lose a few buyins before you get used to them.

How many hands did you play in the cash games? What stakes?
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:20 AM   #27
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NOW the truth comes out lol!

Cash games are much tougher than sit and gos and you will probably lose a few buyins before you get used to them.

How many hands did you play in the cash games? What stakes?
i dont have graphs here, because i am at work. i started to play more seriously poker in cash few months ago, i mean bought PT PUD and multitabled. played from zero, i mean from 30$, at microstakes, moved to something like ~400$ on stars within 3 months (about 80k hands), then i thought that it is better to play on FTP because of rakeback. deposited there 210$ played, firslty everything went fine, no st'ups, coolers (i mean normal game)played a little bit NL10$, then started to play NL25$ and moved to something like 650$, the game was fine (but in comparison with stars i had the feeling that i am getting more bad beats, setups, coolers, but pretty normal)
anyway, i took a shot to NL50$, i know is against BR manegement, but i tried. here things went wrong, i lost like 5-6 buy ins there, i mean my winnings were like 7 buy ins lower in comparison with sklansky bucks winnings. also i had coolers and setups. thats why i started to play SnGs to calm down. because if not this crap, my BR would be above 1k$. i dont like to lie to my self, i see there is no point. so i started to play SnGs, and i meet the same "problems" i thought omg, again. donks raising with 74 against mine 99, and hitinh set on the river, again mine Aj against A3 is not good and i am in 4th place, again mine Aj agains Qj is not good and i am on 4th place. a lot of such crap. i never had such experience on stars.
ok maybe its variance, but someone can calclutae the possibilities of such variance? i mean is it possible to use hands history in order to check normal amount of coolers, set ups, bad beats is possible to calculate by sklansky bucks, but what about other two?
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:42 AM   #28
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i dont have graphs here, because i am at work. i started to play more seriously poker in cash few months ago, i mean bought PT PUD and multitabled. played from zero, i mean from 30$, at microstakes, moved to something like ~400$ on stars within 3 months (about 80k hands), then i thought that it is better to play on FTP because of rakeback. deposited there 210$ played, firslty everything went fine, no st'ups, coolers (i mean normal game)played a little bit NL10$, then started to play NL25$ and moved to something like 650$, the game was fine (but in comparison with stars i had the feeling that i am getting more bad beats, setups, coolers, but pretty normal)
anyway, i took a shot to NL50$, i know is against BR manegement, but i tried. here things went wrong, i lost like 5-6 buy ins there, i mean my winnings were like 7 buy ins lower in comparison with sklansky bucks winnings. also i had coolers and setups. thats why i started to play SnGs to calm down. because if not this crap, my BR would be above 1k$. i dont like to lie to my self, i see there is no point. so i started to play SnGs, and i meet the same "problems" i thought omg, again. donks raising with 74 against mine 99, and hitinh set on the river, again mine Aj against A3 is not good and i am in 4th place, again mine Aj agains Qj is not good and i am on 4th place. a lot of such crap. i never had such experience on stars.
ok maybe its variance, but someone can calclutae the possibilities of such variance? i mean is it possible to use hands history in order to check normal amount of coolers, set ups, bad beats is possible to calculate by sklansky bucks, but what about other two?
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:47 AM   #29
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

Yea man if your idea of a 'normal' game is 'no coolers' then... uh... wat
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:52 AM   #30
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Yea man if your idea of a 'normal' game is 'no coolers' then... uh... wat
no lol, ofcourse there should be coolers, bad beats and set ups i have nothing against them, but when its normal amount, not everytime u r in the big pot.
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:57 AM   #31
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

6 buyins is not a big downswing. How many hands are did you play at NL50?
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:10 AM   #32
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

When i played more than 12 hours a day i started to think that its rigged too. Now i think it's not rigged (mostly). Although some little things might be slightly altered. But it is only a guess and i say it because there is a possibity for it. Just like saying that there might be some other life form like humans outside our galaxy or smth like that.
So the point is very simple- if you can't handle the swings- get a bigger roll or move down or stop playing.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:20 AM   #33
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[X] standard
Hardly standard, unless you think that a 15000-1 shot is standard.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:32 AM   #34
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the funny thing about internet poker being rigged is the more you study and practice and really commit to improving, the less and less rigged it gets.
Practice and a commitment to improving does not guarantee results. I've been playing and working on my game for 2 years now but success still eludes me. I consider myself to have a good analytical mind and will usually achieve some measure of success at whatever I apply myself to, but it's just not happening in poker. I understand how people focus on their bad beats and don't remember the suckouts, but after constant analysis of my game i'm pretty sure my luck has not come close to evening out in those 2 years and 100,000+ hands.

I understand how the OP feels, but rather than believing the game is rigged I just believe that even over the long term luck does not even out, and some people are just luckier than others.
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Old 07-22-2008, 08:48 AM   #35
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6 buyins is not a big downswing. How many hands are did you play at NL50?
it was within something like 4-5k hands, not much, dont remember exactly, because i couldn't play more because of bankroll and because have no clue how to play such donkluck poker. then started play SnGs.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:14 AM   #36
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that's pretty normal.. and if u think there are a 0.0001 probability of running so bad... some players online is going to run so...
3-4 month ago when used to multy-tabling stt i had a bad run where i lose 96 of 100 coin flip with a nearly 40 buy-in downswing. that s poker and long run can be veeery long if u don't have a monster edge.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:44 AM   #37
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I don't think its rigged the way you are saying. I do think they make 2 really big hands come up against each other a lot more often than is should happen.
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Old 07-22-2008, 09:59 AM   #38
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[x] son will have gambling problems as an adult
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:13 AM   #39
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I don't think its rigged the way you are saying. I do think they make 2 really big hands come up against each other a lot more often than is should happen.
thats the question, how to calculate it? is there any method to do that?
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:17 AM   #40
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

To satisfy everyone here.

Yes all poker sites are rigged to "set up" people with little or no skills and reward those who are good

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT

ps if all these people are getting "sick coolers" then who the XXXX is winning all these showdowns????????????? SOMEONE MUST BE!!

pps hello to all,
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:18 AM   #41
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[x] son will have gambling problems as an adult
lol at ^^
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:35 AM   #42
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Hardly standard, unless you think that a 15000-1 shot is standard.
lol. It IS standard. People win a 15,000,000:1 lottery every week. It's going to happen to someone and 15,000:1 is going to happen a lot more often.

If 100,000 people play on FTP in one day, this is bound to happen to 7 of them.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:41 AM   #43
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OP sounds like Daniel whining on HSP everytime he would flop the nut straight and lose a huge pot to quads or full house.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:43 AM   #44
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JH1. What you say I'm sure is probably somewhat accurate.

But I've been keeping a notepad the past two weeks just to see if I had selective memory. Believe my suck outs are about what they're supposed to be -- about 10% when odds are 90% against me. But when I'm favored it's nowhere close to me winning as many times as I should.
You should compile them all in a microsoft word document and then go have a drink with fgators.
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Old 07-22-2008, 10:47 AM   #45
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You should compile them all in a microsoft word document and then go have a drink with fgators.
orrr...compile them in a word document, then delete it, and jump off a building.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:05 AM   #46
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Hardly standard, unless you think that a 15000-1 shot is standard.
If you don't think its standard, you must be a luckbox.
Happens all the time.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:07 AM   #47
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so lame
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:24 AM   #48
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JH1. What you say I'm sure is probably somewhat accurate.

But I've been keeping a notepad the past two weeks just to see if I had selective memory. Believe my suck outs are about what they're supposed to be -- about 10% when odds are 90% against me. But when I'm favored it's nowhere close to me winning as many times as I should.

And it's been that way for four or five weeks. I even had my son watch my games tonight. Losing all six times when you have pocket aces? Come on!

Several other times someone hits when they need one card. When other players are apologizing constantly or making comments on the chat room how you're getting screwed it's not just me.
okie,
Why don't you use PT3 and track your hands over a larger time frame than 2 weeks! Last I looked I was 86% for AA and KK over the last year plus.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:39 AM   #49
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You are an idiot.
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Old 07-22-2008, 11:53 AM   #50
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Re: Is Full Tilt rigged?

I think most of us sympathise with the OP without agreeing with him, I'm definitely in that camp myself. The problem is that the human brain is wired in such a way that it naturally tries to make order out of seemingly chaotic information, to see patterns in data in which the connections are not immediately obvious.

From an evolutionary perspective this is very helpful indeed, from the perspective of a poker player not really, especially in a patch of poor variance. The truth is we are rarely faced with random stimuli and that in the case of poker, the most basic method of learning (conditioning) often breaks down. Statistics are not always intuitive. Have a look at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fooled_by_Randomness

The OP is seeing a pattern where none exists, only playing a large number of hands will allow him to reach what the most of us think of as the correct conclusion.
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