you are right that the various 'rigtards' made no worthwhile contribution to the detection of this.

http://www.myspace.com/nemesis65

THIS IS WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE

I'm not accusing "Obama" just politicians in general. I'm sure like politicians there are honest poker sites.....hmmmm....wait that may be an oxymoron...."honest politician."

you're an oxymoron

In theory if Hamilton and his crew kept their winnings reasonable they would have gone undetectable.

detectable apparently only by 2+2 people and their statistics. They went to far obviously.
The victims knew something was wrong, do you call them riggedologists or rigtards? no, because their intuition was spot on. Which proves a healthy dose of skepticism is the only way to go.

I'm glad this thread has proven online poker is not rigged. I used to think that routinely losing 20+ races in row, all-in preflop, in which I was no worse than 47% to win per race, was suspicious. It's good to know that's just normal variance.

The RNG only needs to be bypassed.

your dad should have bypassed your mom

but even the victims who suspected something was wrong provided evidence to support their claims.

Um, yeah, another way in which a super user is totally different than RNG rigging. Thanks for pointing that out.

Sigh. Maybe those of you that join this "debate" late don't understand the difference.

There are people that start threads telling us how rigged online poker is because of what they observed. They of course have no data to back this up, for a whole variety of reasons. But they "know" it's rigged. These are the people that are called names like rigtard and are met with great derision.

Then you have people like those that that first broke the AP/UB scandal. They came with actual hand histories, and verifiable data. While there were a few sceptics (there always will be in any Internet forum), the claims were looked into by others and the investigation quickly snowballed.

So I heard about these two guys once, who were on AIM telling each other their hole cards, and so I wrote to full tilt support telling them how ****ing rigged their RNG is.

sounds like shill-talk to me.
for certain players in certain hands?

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This theory ages gracefully like wine.

Somehow we now have a new bad beat poster that makes me miss that K guy's posts.

And the new riggedologist does not even have any specific theories, just a list of what if / it could happen statements with no connection to reality other then sometime in the past a crime took place somewhere by somebody.


Alas, the "flush draws hit too much" days of innocence are behind us.

If the U.S. used an atom bomb on Hiroshima, why couldn't Pit Bull Poker do the same? They're a rogue, offshore site not regulated by any recognizable governmental entity.

IF IT CAN HAPPEN IT WILL.

Yes, but there is an enormous difference between a few superuser cheaters individually cheating for their own personal gain, vs. a poker site systemically rigging the deal to cheat all of their hundreds of thousands of players for the company's gain. The former is cheaters, the latter is a rigged deal, and one cannot be reasonably compared to the other. Every site has cheaters even without superusers, they collude by talking on the phone or IM, they chip dump, they use bots, they multi-account in the same game, etc etc. Sites catch them all the time, ask Josem. But a manipulated deal ("rigged") that is anything other than fair to all players has never been shown to have happened anywhere.

Well if you had a basic understanding of probability maths and accurate recollections you could have worked it out for youself without ever visiting this thread.

Your most memorable beat was a 70/30? Man, are you in for a world of pain when the Maffia really turn on you.

My most memorable cooler: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1541307

It topped off a ~22 buy-in downswing too, which was the largest downswing I had ever had in terms of buy-ins and dollars at the time.

Where do you get off thinking a $1000 loss of quads vs a straight flush competes with these guys 70/30 losses in $3 tournaments?

Sheesh, the nerve of some people.

What about that little hesitation before the all in river bad beat? The longer the hesitation the more sure the bad beat. lol

Anyone like to take a bet that eventually , say within 2 years , an RNG will be proven rigged or bypassed?