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01-07-2012 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
I made with five dollar sngs a thousand in some months so if i would have no skills then there wouldnt be a result like that.
Unless it was rigged in your favour because you are so, so bad.
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01-07-2012 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
Why should it happen that you lose 75 percent of coinflips against certain players? Why you should be that unlucky?
I even lost more than 50 percent of games against someone where i had most time favourite hands and i know even the name of the player. Its even listed at a online statistic site.
Why do you bother posting these stats when you have said repeatedly that you have no intention of providing anything other than the most general details and won't back up your claim or let anyone verify that you've done your calculations correctly or even indicate how far off of expectation you think your results are? What kind of reaction do you expect?
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01-07-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by raymears
FYP.

Cool story! It must be great to be you - please post instructions on how to make it happen.
Oh that is easy. Play top 5 hands. Suck up to Collin Moshman and bumhunt. Then pray you can get a bunch of fish to pay you to coach them.

All the while thinking. I am the greatest!
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01-07-2012 , 01:50 PM
Wasn't bop the guy whining about his O8 beats?
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01-07-2012 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by otatop
Wasn't bop the guy whining about his O8 beats?
I don't know. He's certainly the guy with a creepy man crush on Monteroy.
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01-07-2012 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Why do you bother posting these stats when you have said repeatedly that you have no intention of providing anything other than the most general details and won't back up your claim or let anyone verify that you've done your calculations correctly or even indicate how far off of expectation you think your results are? What kind of reaction do you expect?
What do you mean with calculations made correctly? Every poker odds calculator on web gives you the odds and if you can count outs you can even do yourself but starting hands odds in allin situations are clear after the hand is played.
Well i dont care of the reactions. I had to tell what things i experienced at Pokerstars. Some idiots who just are able to offend but not to argue i will even not respond.
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01-07-2012 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
i will even not respond.
Promise?
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01-07-2012 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
What do you mean with calculations made correctly? Every poker odds calculator on web gives you the odds and if you can count outs you can even do yourself but starting hands odds in allin situations are clear after the hand is played.
How does one check for a site's fairness with a poker odds calculator?
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01-07-2012 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
I don't know. He's certainly the guy with a creepy man crush on Monteroy.
He and little ray are similar in that regard. Does not matter much - stalkers gonna stalk and weirdos gonna weird.

Only issue at times is they carry on conversations that ended weeks, months or years ago as if they happened at the time they post. Fortunately the internet has search functions for those of us who forget the other party pretty much later the same day.


Edit to add: Why hasn't that "sites are rigged to screw every player in coin flips" theory been fleshed out more. That had some genuine comedy potential, especially since the concept of more than 1 person in a poker hand has been explained to "D" boy which ended his latest butchery of simple math.

Last edited by Monteroy; 01-07-2012 at 03:23 PM.
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01-07-2012 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
He and little ray are similar in that regard. Does not matter much - stalkers gonna stalk and weirdos gonna weird.
Yeah, but although Ray has a "special" relationship with you, he does at least interact with everybody else in the thread and is just generally a bit of a character. BOP just pops into the thread, throws abuse at you and then disappears, usually after some reference to Colin Moshman.

He's obsessed
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01-07-2012 , 04:28 PM
Hello everyone,

first of all, I am not just another mediocre player complaining about a bad beat or a bad run. Here is my situation: I played heads up SNG at Fulltilt at the $50-$100 buy in level with a double digit average ROI over a few thousand games. After FT got cancelled, I switched to Pokerstars where I already held an account from before. In the first 500 games or so I barely made any profit, mostly due to a $700 downswing following my first withdrawal, even though the players are not any better than at Fulltilt. I created a new account and immediately went on a 7 games winning streak. About 700 games at the $60 buy-in later I held a solid 14% ROI while making continuous small withdrawals of $100-$300. About two weeks ago I made my last and largest $800 withdrawal. Since that day PRECISELY I have been on my biggest ever downswing of $1300, with a series of bad beats, missed flops and awful hands.

What I would like to know if anyone has had an similarly objectively suspicious experience following a Pokerstars withdrawal?

Take care and run well.

Niko
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01-07-2012 , 04:42 PM
No, I'm not an MAing scumbag.
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01-07-2012 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bingo_Boy
Yeah, but although Ray has a "special" relationship with you, he does at least interact with everybody else in the thread and is just generally a bit of a character. BOP just pops into the thread, throws abuse at you and then disappears, usually after some reference to Colin Moshman.

He's obsessed
Search his posts. Dude's obsessed with all sorts of poker people.
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01-07-2012 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by truthsbehind
What do you mean with calculations made correctly? Every poker odds calculator on web gives you the odds and if you can count outs you can even do yourself but starting hands odds in allin situations are clear after the hand is played.
The poker odds calculator will tell you basic poker odds: how you are calculating whether your results are far off expectation is another manner entirely.

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Well i dont care of the reactions. I had to tell what things i experienced at Pokerstars. Some idiots who just are able to offend but not to argue i will even not respond.
There's nothing to argue about with you- you haven't given enough detail to draw any conclusions at all!
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01-07-2012 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by The Slovenian
Hello everyone,

first of all, I am not just another mediocre player complaining about a bad beat or a bad run. Here is my situation: I played heads up SNG at Fulltilt at the $50-$100 buy in level with a double digit average ROI over a few thousand games. After FT got cancelled, I switched to Pokerstars where I already held an account from before. In the first 500 games or so I barely made any profit, mostly due to a $700 downswing following my first withdrawal, even though the players are not any better than at Fulltilt. I created a new account and immediately went on a 7 games winning streak. About 700 games at the $60 buy-in later I held a solid 14% ROI while making continuous small withdrawals of $100-$300. About two weeks ago I made my last and largest $800 withdrawal. Since that day PRECISELY I have been on my biggest ever downswing of $1300, with a series of bad beats, missed flops and awful hands.

What I would like to know if anyone has had an similarly objectively suspicious experience following a Pokerstars withdrawal?

Take care and run well.

Niko
Yes, most definitely. And now worst of all, you will be marked as a good player and a net withdrawer. This will be difficult if not impossible to overcome.
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01-07-2012 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by The Slovenian
Hello everyone,

first of all, I am not just another mediocre player complaining about a bad beat or a bad run. Here is my situation: I played heads up SNG at Fulltilt at the $50-$100 buy in level with a double digit average ROI over a few thousand games. After FT got cancelled, I switched to Pokerstars where I already held an account from before. In the first 500 games or so I barely made any profit, mostly due to a $700 downswing following my first withdrawal, even though the players are not any better than at Fulltilt. I created a new account and immediately went on a 7 games winning streak. About 700 games at the $60 buy-in later I held a solid 14% ROI while making continuous small withdrawals of $100-$300. About two weeks ago I made my last and largest $800 withdrawal. Since that day PRECISELY I have been on my biggest ever downswing of $1300, with a series of bad beats, missed flops and awful hands.

What I would like to know if anyone has had an similarly objectively suspicious experience following a Pokerstars withdrawal?

Take care and run well.

Niko
EVERYBODY has experienced this. Only problem, honesty and ignorance get in they way of telling it the way it is. And trying to get a real answer in this thread which is populated 24/7 with 90% site promoters and affiliates, well, good luck with that.
This doesnt just happen at pokerstars. It happens at every online poker site, as the software is programmed to get profits back at one time or another. This creates rebuy after rebuy which is the main purpose of their being in business.
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01-07-2012 , 08:01 PM
Life is rigged. I guess we can call this the luck factor. It is kind of like some people win the lottery multiple times. Others are on the other end who get struck by lightning multiple times. I guess they get lucky cause they live or unlucky in that they get struck by lightning and live. Poker is no different you have the lucky and the unlucky. Nothing is by chance.
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01-07-2012 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
Dodge dodge dodge dodge dodge.
Hey, do 10% of players end up with all the money after 10,000 hands in a fair game or not? You pretty clearly posted a video you endorsed that said that, so I just wanted to know.
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01-07-2012 , 08:29 PM
sigh
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01-07-2012 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Wakeup!
Yes, most definitely. And now worst of all, you will be marked as a good player and a net withdrawer. This will be difficult if not impossible to overcome.
Thanks for your reply. Why is is then that there are many players at Pokerstars who are earning $100,000+ yearly? Is it because they pay so much rake anyway? Any ideas on how to get pass this initial phase without starting a new account?
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01-07-2012 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
EVERYBODY has experienced this. Only problem, honesty and ignorance get in they way of telling it the way it is. And trying to get a real answer in this thread which is populated 24/7 with 90% site promoters and affiliates, well, good luck with that.
This doesnt just happen at pokerstars. It happens at every online poker site, as the software is programmed to get profits back at one time or another. This creates rebuy after rebuy which is the main purpose of their being in business.
I thought it was the fact that 10% of the players would wipe out the other 90% within 10,000 hands that meant weak players needed help. I didn't realise withdrawals also factored in, that was not in you bull**** youtube video.
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01-08-2012 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Search his posts. Dude's obsessed with all sorts of poker people.
Oh no we have moved from being racist (since you couldn't produce any threads supporting your baseless claim) to now obsession?

You would be better off with the racebaiting. Makes you sound so cool. Even if you are completely clueless.
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01-08-2012 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
EVERYBODY has experienced this. Only problem, honesty and ignorance get in they way of telling it the way it is. And trying to get a real answer in this thread which is populated 24/7 with 90% site promoters and affiliates, well, good luck with that.
This doesnt just happen at pokerstars. It happens at every online poker site, as the software is programmed to get profits back at one time or another. This creates rebuy after rebuy which is the main purpose of their being in business.
I don't, thank you.
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01-08-2012 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by blatantlyrigged
EVERYBODY has experienced this.
Everybody?

Really?

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Only problem, honesty and ignorance get in they way of telling it the way it is.
Certainly something that is true of your posts.
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01-08-2012 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by The Slovenian
Thanks for your reply. Why is is then that there are many players at Pokerstars who are earning $100,000+ yearly? Is it because they pay so much rake anyway? Any ideas on how to get pass this initial phase without starting a new account?
You need different - and mutually incompatible - riggie theories to explain different groups of players.
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