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You sound like a conceited little f uckwit fauntleroy.

That transposition happens too often these days for it to continue being classed as a typo. It says more to me about mental agility than it does about digital dexterity.

He's just a cheeselicker who is incapable of joined-up thinking.

Of course people are more likely to stay in a pot if they pick up extra outs with a draw.

But this supports my argument, how he managed to bend reality to insult me by pointing out how I miss the obvious is, well I don't even know where it stands, I really don't.

Why d'you even let these nobjockeys bring you down?

Looking over the thread past few days worth, I think it is quote obvious no real discussion is allowed to take place.

Do you think QK can make TP 'weak' kicker, and do you think a turned gut shot is blank card, considering it gives the player extra outs to hit on the river?

To get serious for a minute, honestly it's not about intelligence. These are cognitive biases that go WAAAAAYYYYYY back. They are not that easy to shake which is why critical thinking skills are important. Very intelligent people can appear to be quite dense when bias kicks in. Being blinded by bias is not the same as not being intelligent.

Maybe one of the stats guys can elucidate this point a bit to make it clear to everyone why exactly this is. I think its a sticking point for many riggies and an important concept to get in this debate.

You can't continue to say that if you're going to ignore future submissions.

Simple question: if Monteroy can produce hands that meet your previously stated criteria, will you admit you were wrong?

If not? Why not?

How perfect!!!
It might have gone over his head though.

I don't think you know how "unbelievable" EV lines can get. Of course, but people below the line tend to pay more attention to it than people above it. And by using statistics, you can see if what happened is actually possible, or if it was manipulated into happening. The only people I've really noticed spamming are rigtards who make 4 or 5 posts in a row because multi-quoting makes their heads hurt. It's almost as if different sites have different player pools, and that makes them tougher than others, which requires good players to change gears. How insane! Look, more claims that would be so easy to prove it's ridiculous. I'll agree with you here, since rigtards literally never try to improve their poker game. Better to withdraw while you're only down a little before you limp everything else away and cry when your trap with AA backfires on you. Weren't you the one saying the US should regulate them? Yep, you were:
You know that just because 2 things are equally likely doesn't mean that if one happens to you, so does the other, right?
I ran 15 buyins over EV on Stars. Weeeeeeeee! OK, you just said you thought they were cheating people.
Let's take a quick look at why I thought you said you had proof of cheating:

Sorry for giving dumb-dumb a new word.

TPTK, honest question:

if you're going to put people who give you the answers to your questions on ignore, then why should we bother?

Whatever my ideas, I would get more sense discussing them with my dog than with the jokers in here.

If you want a balanced argument on the authenticity of the poker deal online, this is probably not the place; there are more important issues at stake here - you only need to look at any polemic submitted by e.g. Mountebank (take him off ignore - he's a funny, nay tragi-funny character), in order to understand this.

Looks like the promoters did their job. Plus, theres one born every minute!

Perfect example why I wouldnt waste my time discussing anything with these bottom feeders.

Not sure about quote obvious, but it is quite obvious.

You and TPTK make a fine team, and should continue to fight the good fight arm in arm. You agree with his beliefs, right? You can even add that sidkekick of yours blatantdude and become the modern day "three wise men." My wager is that no other riggie can even explain what TPTK's msytical rig theory is.

By the way, your posts today read like you are either drunk or just getting over a bender. Happy Boxing Day!

All the best.

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Without a doubt, NOT THE PLACE! There are other forums with real players who will discuss issues honestly with you. Where do you think you will get talking to these site promoters, affiliates, shills and site employees?

I think you're new to this and haven't yet managed to get your head around the concepts of variance and sample sizes. I've seen a ton of "amazing" graphs. About half of them have the EV line above the green line and about a half of them have the EV line below the green line.
If you are spectacularly unlucky, then you will be well below EV for a long time period. If the sample size was infinite, results would normalise at a level equal to EV, but over sample sizes of 10k hands, or 100K hands, or a million hands, EV lines tend to deviate from the middle point, and get further away from it. It's called "random walk". It has nothing to do with rigging. It's random. For every "lucky" player, there is an "unlucky" player. A poker site doesn't choose which players are lucky. It happens randomly. Isn't this obvious?

OOPS #1(in bold)- you said you were new to this.
OOPS #2(in bold)- you are full of ****., again.

You shills need to work on you game(the lying game that is).

Has it not occurred to you that the players on Pokerstars are tighter/better than the players on other networks?
You clearly have no understanding of what the EV line represents. For someone to be below EV, another player must be above EV. When you lost with AA against KK, you ran below EV. The other player ran above EV. Since the site doesn't care who won, there's no need to rig the result.

I'm actually running several buy-ins below EV in All in situations on Pokerstars. This has reduced my profit margins so that I'm only just beating the rake. I've had some bad luck so far. The more I play, though, the more that luck's importance will decline.
If you can't beat the game on Stars, then quitting is definitely wise. If you'd be beating the game if you'd had an average amount of luck (run according to EV), then you should be able to profit in the long run. This is why decent players manage their bankrolls. They have to account for short term variance (bad luck). What seems to be common in this thread is that bad players who don't practice good bankroll management, end up going busto, because they can't handle short term variance. Instead of accepting they went busto because of bad play or poor bankroll management, they choose to claim that sites are rigged. It's ridiculous. For every rigtard fish that loses money, there is a regular player that's winning!

When a really good player presents evidence of rigging, I'll take notice. When a typical busto fish turns up in this thread, I'll spend a couple of posts trying to educate him... and if he fails to learn, I'll rip him a new one.

I had noticed that you're really ripping new ones for these poor misguided innocents.

Awesome stuff!

This is true.

If anyone tries to quote sensible facts, ask for evidence, or promote critical thinking, the riggies and 'tards inhibit cogent argument by either:

1) Ignoring the post in question
2) Telling the poster he doesn't play poker
3) Telling the poster he is a 'shill', site promoter, etc
4) Telling the poster that he is defending OLP as if his life depended on it
5) Posting a non sequitur
6) Telling the world at large that any post talking about rigging are submerged by 'site employees', etc.

I'm not sure what that is in response to but you may want to respond to (or ignore) this:

Can you explain how doing the above wouldn't prove your rigging theory?

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The above doesn't make sense.

Sorry.

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