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12-21-2011 , 01:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3wSV9z__gI

I might just post it everynow and then to help the shills remember how ridiculous their arguments that FTP was legit really are
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12-21-2011 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
???????

The video shows a random donk going to showdown 100% of the time. He doesn't care what cards he has.
The fact that the video was posted on youtube at all is because it was cherry picked for being interesting or for supporting someone's viewpoint.
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12-21-2011 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Do you think the video is standard, and that is portrays what one could consider 'real' poker?
No.

I think it is faked in some way.

One clue is that there is no mention by the uploader about what FT said when he asked them for an explanation.

If I was a riggie and had a run of HH's that appeared to show something amiss I would ask the site for an explanation and then ridicule said explanation in the comments.

Still love that track, though.
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12-21-2011 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
The fact that the video was posted on youtube at all is because it was cherry picked for being interesting or for supporting someone's viewpoint.
No, the video shows a replay of a touney of the showdown hands where the donk was never folding.

It is cherry picked in the context that one could consider providing evidence at court could be likened to being cherry picked.

So, we have evidence on this gun that has your finger prints, we could also show evidence that your toothbrush has your fingerprints too, but that is hardly relevent to the case. But I wouldn't want to cherry pick good fellow.
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12-21-2011 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3wSV9z__gI

I might just post it everynow and then to help the shills remember how ridiculous their arguments that FTP was legit really are
I doubt anyone much takes it at face value. It doesn't prove anything at all to me.

Even if there were shenanigans occurring they would be of a quite different type to the kind of deal rigging being discussed in this thread.
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12-21-2011 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
No, the video shows a replay of a touney of the showdown hands where the donk was never folding.

It is cherry picked in the context that one could consider providing evidence at court could be likened to being cherry picked.

So, we have evidence on this gun that has your finger prints, we could also show evidence that your toothbrush has your fingerprints too, but that is hardly relevent to the case. But I wouldn't want to cherry pick good fellow.
What you don't seem to appreciate is that, even if this video is 100% legit, it proves nothing.

Taking one sequence of a half a dozen hands from the hundreds of millions of sequences played just because it's unusual proves diddley squat.
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12-21-2011 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
I doubt anyone much takes it at face value. It doesn't prove anything at all to me.

Even if there were shenanigans occurring they would be of a quite different type to the kind of deal rigging being discussed in this thread.

Straights, trips and flushes are so standard in heads up all ins, doesn' matter what the pre flop cards are.
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12-21-2011 , 01:28 PM
Yeesh, now this guy's latest theory is youtube stuff based on a sit and go?

Guess he got bored of these theories

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...ssion-1100433/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25...ssion-1132764/

Wonder if he will post this thing in the probability forum to go 0-3 there...
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12-21-2011 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
What you don't seem to appreciate is that, even if this video is 100% legit, it proves nothing.

Taking one sequence of a half a dozen hands from the hundreds of millions of sequences played just because it's unusual proves diddley squat.
Of course it doesn't, and that's the beauty of the rig, because there could never be enough evidence, variance explains everything.

Although simply typing in FTP SNG final table on youtube and watching videos shows the same trend over and over.

But, don't worry FTP degens, it's all standard and nice and random. We even had Cigital verify this for you, we also had the Alderney licence and still would have ****ing had it to show how safe we are unless those damn fools at the DOJ had to get involved. Those pesky do gooders!!

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12-21-2011 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
No.

I think it is faked in some way.

One clue is that there is no mention by the uploader about what FT said when he asked them for an explanation.

If I was a riggie and had a run of HH's that appeared to show something amiss I would ask the site for an explanation and then ridicule said explanation in the comments.

Still love that track, though.
I've seen this angle a few times now.

So YOU would ridicule the FTP reply? And by the video poster not doing this in the videos comments, this is 100% proof the video is fake. I like it. Almost clever.

OK, well that proves the video is fake then I guess.

Congratulations agent Wiki
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12-21-2011 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Although simply typing in FTP SNG final table on youtube and watching videos shows the same trend over and over.
Yes but randomly picking hands does not.
Saying that videos which riggies choose to post on youtube constitute a "trend" is true, but that trend is not what you think it is.
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12-21-2011 , 01:34 PM
Honestly, TP, do you even know what cherry picking means?
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12-21-2011 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Honestly, TP, do you even know what cherry picking means?
Of course.

To pick biased evidence, often ignoring arguments that undermine my point, in order to make something support my theory.

The first video, ironically, wasn't a rigged video however. It was just a final table one, I didn't cherry pick that one.

I could post any FTP final table video and demonstrate the same thing over and over.

But here's the link in case the shills floodthe thread with BS to hide the video-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3wSV9z__gI
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12-21-2011 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Of course it doesn't, and that's the beauty of the rig, because there could never be enough evidence, variance explains everything.
Nope. Variance does not explain everything.

It explains why a small sample size is useless for proving what you would like to prove.

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But, don't worry FTP degens, it's all standard and nice and random. We even had Cigital verify this for you
Did they audit FTP?

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we also had the Alderney licence and still would have ****ing had it to show how safe we are
It was Alderny that closed FTP down. Try and keep up.

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unless those damn fools at the DOJ had to get involved.
Well, it was their intervention in support of illegal legislation by the US that was the start of the problems.
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12-21-2011 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Honestly, TP, do you even know what cherry picking means?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPmBAnuI1Y

First final table video that comes up.

Non cherry picked.

Same BS RNG
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12-21-2011 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
I've seen this angle a few times now.

So YOU would ridicule the FTP reply? And by the video poster not doing this in the videos comments, this is 100% proof the video is fake. I like it. Almost clever.

OK, well that proves the video is fake then I guess.

Congratulations agent Wiki
Well, it shows that the poster did not have the confidence to challenge FTP about what he clearly believes is malfeasance on their part and report their response as part of the 'case' against them.
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12-21-2011 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPmBAnuI1Y

First final table video that comes up.

Non cherry picked.

Same BS RNG
The first all in is a runner runner beat.

JJ vs 99, 99 flops a set, then JJ makes a 'exciting', tilt inducing, which leads top action inducing runner runner straight!

Go FTP poker, that's why I play there! Wahhhhhoooooo!!! Oh yeah FTP, I get so much excitement from your games!!!
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12-21-2011 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjPmBAnuI1Y

First final table video that comes up.

Non cherry picked.

Same BS RNG
Non cherry picked, in other words it just spontaneously and randomly got posted on youtube.
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12-21-2011 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy
Non cherry picked, in other words it just spontaneously and randomly got posted on youtube.
It's just a video of a player's final table run.

It has, as far as the posters intention goes, nothing to do with FTP's RNG.

Context my friend, context please.
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12-21-2011 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Same BS RNG
Do you realise that being able to see cards that you shouldn't is nothing to do with rigging the RNG.

Do you really believe that FTP, even if they did want to rig the RNG, would do it in such a way that some player just kept winning hands non-stop.

Don't you think that if that was what they were doing everyone would have noticed it by now?
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12-21-2011 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
It has, as far as the posters intention goes, nothing to do with FTP's RNG.
Quite.

Nothing to do with FTP's RNG.
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12-21-2011 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
It's just a video of a player's final table run.

It has, as far as the posters intention goes, nothing to do with FTP's RNG.

Context my friend, context please.
Then I have nothing else for you but this:

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12-21-2011 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TPTK27
Of course it doesn't, and that's the beauty of the rig, because there could never be enough evidence, variance explains everything.

Although simply typing in FTP SNG final table on youtube and watching videos shows the same trend over and over.

But, don't worry FTP degens, it's all standard and nice and random. We even had Cigital verify this for you, we also had the Alderney licence and still would have ****ing had it to show how safe we are unless those damn fools at the DOJ had to get involved. Those pesky do gooders!!

If there could never be enough evidence to show if poker is rigged. How would more regulation help against rigging.
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12-21-2011 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
If there could never be enough evidence to show if poker is rigged. How would more regulation help against rigging.
This.
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12-21-2011 , 01:56 PM
If a rigged hand falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it, is it rigged?
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