You do realize of course, that in a game of only all-ins your chance to win the game is only 50%.

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If the amount of hands or games is big enough me and everybody else who experienced similar things can prove yes.


I didnt say ******, idiot or other names didnt call names so yeah if someone cant think of why poker sites card generator need control hes not smart enough. In democratic states everybody controls everybody cause this is the right way. Lets say we have an institution who can do whatever they want would be this good? No. It would be a danger for freedom and democracy. The same is with poker sites. There should be rules. I mean all this poker sites operating from some islands or states like costa rica and why they should have the right to control the card generator? We talk about money. People go and work for this money. Its a serious thing you cant allow them to do what they want. It must be guaranteed that this game i fair. And you can just guarantee if you let a big democratic state controlling it.


Its not in my interest to lose privacy.


You can call it factual or objective or some other words. Many drifting here away, starting to insult and ridicule people all the day. Where are the arguments? That would be a way to respond but just ridiculing wont work. Too simple and people are too smart to be impressed by that. I mean why repeating why insulting? You ask so many questions but you dont question poker sites, maybe your hand histories look so good that you have no reason to complain like me. I never said that all players are cheated by Pokerstars. I cant imagine that big and famous players get cheated by this site but who knows even some known players complain about rigged poker sites. As i said so often here you cant leave the control of the card generator to the company. You need kind of independent institution. Then some come here and ask why this is needed. If you dont know why it is needed what should i say? You really dont know why control is needed comeon? The danger is too big that poker site company would manipulate the software thats the reason. Why they would do it? Because they get more rake and more profit and one more is poker looks like gambling and gambling can become addiction and maybe they think as more gambling in the game as more we get new players who try their luck and deposit and deposit again. Maybe thats their business policy i dont know it. I think they are wrong if they think like that. I think poker would become even bigger than before if it would be as a clean and fair game so it would even make the profit of poker sites bigger. But it doesnt help that i think like that sites like Pokerstars have to think like that.




I didnt say that. I talked about Pokerstars. I dont think that every poker site is as rigged as Pokerstars but i cant be sure obviously. To be sure we need state control. But my statistics of some other sites show its not rigged there.
Of course you need skill to be a good player even there is some luck factor in poker too but mathematical and psychological skill, watching your opponents, using some situations thats all part of the game.

Thats not right. My opponent was a maniac and the sngs we played havent been hyper or superturbos so he couldnt blind me out so fast so i had time to wait for good hands. I thought i would win well i thought it. And the odds told me. But what happened was something different as i told above.
When i checked my hand history my odds have been 65-82% generally so this is a bit more than 50%.

Well you said all-in every hand, but now you say that wasn't the case. Nevertheless, even if you selectively call, when opponent is all-in every hand in a fast format game like a SnG, variance will be tremendous and you will still lose many games, easily more than half sometimes. You can't wait for AA, so you have to roll the dice and you get one or two chances per game is all.

[QUOTE=truthsbehind;30513451] Some people on here claim to have upwards of 500k hands but still cannot PROVE a rig beyond they have a FEELING



You mean like say a government! And FYI Costa Rica is a democratic republic with a democratically elected leadership

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2019.htm


TRANSLATION: I do not have any hand histories worth looking at.


So why don't you ask the poker sites and show us the replies you get. Don't forget to hide your email address



If any sites are rigged it would be the smaller ones not the industry leaders!

Misconception.

If a site is rigged for action and to create more excitement, it's going to be more popular as it's more fun to play.

A random site, where a fish loses his money quicker and doesn't enjoy the game isn't going to hold onto that player.

Sites like FTP were designed to emulate the excitement of TV highlights, fish don't to sit around waiting for good hands, they want action, and that is why sites like FTP were so popular- as they let the fish play junk and win more pots than they should do as the deal is manipulated post flop to help the calling hands.

Good to know that you're not on a mission to corrupt poker sites.

Evidence?

I thought not.

Exactly....Fish will call any bet with any rags because they want action. You sit there with AA and think "oh i will definitely win this hand". Guy shows 72 off and hits. This is just the game and sometimes bad beats happen but if you stick around the fish will lose it back to you and more. But hey you will still claim rigged so theres 3 minutes of my life i will never get back

What has this got to do with my post?

You're the guy who ripped into me in the other thread along with several others, funny how no one has posted in that thread for about a week since it was shown I was right about the HH

Over 12 pages and not a sinlgle poster could find a weak flopped hand going to showdown at FTP LOLOLOLOL!!!!

you still can't see why fish win with rags lol


I unsubscribed to that thread when it got boring so didn't see your epic victory (cough cough)

Your thread hasn't cracked 3 pages yet.

Yeah whatever

Of course I can see how every now and then, a rag hand will beat a good hand.

That is, as you and I both know, poker.

We're talking about the % of times this happens in relation to what a random deal would look like.

Watch any final table SNG video of FTP and try and keep a straight face saying the site was legit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9EL1luxRDU

This is two tables, within 3 minutes we've seen AK all in vs JJ, the turn gives AK the lead only for JJ to river a straight.

We've seen the nut flush draw and overs all in vs a set.

A7o goes all in and has a straight draw going into the river.

All designed to create action and keep people playing what they think is real poker, when it is far, far from it!

A+

Would read again.

2 things....(1) you do realise there are more rags in a deck than face cards right? (2) define "REAL" poker please

I think maybe you have no idea what that would look like.

Get a program like Poker Academy that lets you deal out 9 hands face up and then deal all boards, and do it over and over a few hundred times. Then you will have some idea.

Hint: the most common winning hand will be 2 pairs and the average winning hand will be better than 2 pairs. And amazingly, unpaired hole cards will win more often than paired hole cards (a result of there being many more unpaired hands dealt).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3wSV9z__gI

This video is perhaps the finest example of FTP's complete joke of an RNG.

I can't even begin to imagine the odds of this happening in real life.

Not just the donk completely luck boxing, it is the hands that are coming up.

Of the all in/showdown hands we see at the river-

1- flush

2- pair that had flush draw on turn

3- dominating top two pair vs pair of 8's that river trips (96 was randomly in there with a gut shot as well)

4- flush draw makes running cards for trips

5- QK makes running cards AGAIN for flush

6- Another flush

7- flopped two pair

8- running cards for straight

9- pair hand that beats dominating AT all in pre

9 hands, only two show a pair- the rest show decent hands.

I mean this is comical stuff.

Just pick up a deck of cards, and deal two hands, and deal it to showdown, half the time neither hand will make anything, the above, it's from another dimension. How can anybody think that is a random deal?

So you are admitting this is faked?

But your videos and examples are not two hands. Deal a full table as I suggested and most of the time somebody will make 2 pairs or better.

By saying 'real life' I mean in the context of a random poker deal, not an obviously rigged one

Did you watch the video- do you think random variance could create this kind of run of cards?

There are 3 hands were runner runner to nut type hands takes place- it's outrageous comedy gold!

On the plus side, at least he's used a good backing track!

I know the average hand would be quite decent if 9 players went to showdown. I don't see how this undermines my point though, thinking from a logical perspective and appreciating the fact that the videos obviously don't show 9 players getting to showdown each time.

The videos show mostly heads up scenarios, where the vast majority of the time the showdown hands will be weak, often of the high card variety.

Not at FTP though.

And also if 9 players get to each choose whether to go to showdown or not, and if some of them get to make that choice 4 seperate times during the hand.

Do you think the video is standard, and that is portrays what one could consider 'real' poker?

???????

The video shows a random donk going to showdown 100% of the time. He doesn't care what cards he has.

There's no argument that only good hands will go to showdown etc.