Holdem manager replayer shows percentages when playing against known cards, and I think it means I will win 87% every time this happends. And 87% of 100% is quite high.

400K hands and you show the 2 where you got a bad beat lol


WOW am surprised someone called that huge raise $2.45 OMFG!

again TURN AND RIVER also part of the hand!

well there's your problem!

So 13% of the time you don't win, correct?

For the fairness of this discussion and frequency of my claims, I posted those from a short session yesterday, with around 7 minutes interval between each other.

In theory that would be correct, but 10% at stars, happends 6/10 times instead of 1/10 of times.

I am a very strict disciplined player, which means I put my money to the pot when I know I'm a clear winner.

My losses has huge EV differance, meaning I've lost a load even when I'm very much ahead. Very very rarely have I ever won a hand with worse than 50% chance. Let alone 5-20%.

And this of course comes down to this: like I said. High VPIP players will **** you over on the odds, because stars want them to win 1-4 big pots. Then let them lose and deal back the money to the regulars, which are then happy.

--> everyone happy. Excelt the original feeder to the donk, which then gets told "bad luck meight, no can do, **** happends".

Now I don't know the first thing about source code and I don't claim to know much about progamming or anything to do with the RNG and how it works scientifically but what I do know is the rng is meant to deal specific %'s down to percise numbers of pocket pairs, flush draws ect ect ect. Now one would assume that the computer is constantly course correcting itself so if a certain player is getting random dealings and there holding % for say aa is too high or there suckout % is too low than the computer will even this out to make it fair. Now does it recognize the amount players play and take this in to consideration? Is that really fair and random when over 10k hands I am getting dealt more flushes than normal and the program needs to even it out over the next x amount of hands. Is that fair and random? So how about when a player is mouthy or a player is a professional and a site promoter. Is it than unplausable to assume that certain players and there * evening out* the odds dealings are dealt more favourably on certain games than others? Is this why certain people are suddenly and magically run bad on the bubble of tournments or anytime the try and move up in stakes. This is * undetectable* looking at the big picture. This wouldn't be detectable in holdem manager but could be done right? I mean when mr Ayre is stating the software has become sophisticated to be able to classify players in to groups than what else is it able to do and deploy to us already. Who knows but its safe to say something has been going on of why certain players just always have such bad luck and others who feed the site rakes just keep getting lucky and maintaining a big roll forever feeding the sites. I know for a fact I was told that the program will course correct if someone is not dealt enough flushes or flush draws, it should be in a certain specific % say for arguments sake they are dealt a flush draw 14.8% and hit 22% of those over 10k hands. Well this is running hot and that 22% needs to be lowered. Well if this computer program knows I sometimes but rarely play higher staked games and usually play lower 20$ or lower stakes than it could be conceivable that I will always even out below ev on certain games while other * luckbox* players will usually always even out positively on more favourable games. This would always even out over time and show no * rig* yet there obviously is a tainted outcome.

The dealing system does *NOT* deliberately 'even things out over a number of hands'.

The evening out is something that happen as a matter of course over some number of hands as a result of the random card generation.

It is impossible to say over exactly how many hands - theoretically, if you have a severe down swing it could take millions of hands for things to even out. (In fact, even if you just had a mild down swing it could take millions of hands.)

The point is it's impossible to predict how many hands it will take.

like I said. In theory its simple. It's the same on a whole for everyone but certain upper management or specific people with authority may be able to go in an effect dealings short term or on specifc games never being detected in the long run but always limiting the winning %. I know certain players who won consistantly 1500-4500$ tournment scores every month for over a year and a half. Once they complained about something and were sarcastic regarding a large cash-out of over 5k to specific site they didn't cash in another tournment over 100$, losing to the same bad beats on or near the bubble for the next 9 months. 15 months in a row of at least one tournment cash over 1k than that random pattern. It's even neat to see the pattern on a tournment tracking system with exact dates. Makes one really wonder and question things. Pretty bizarre coincidence. Chalk it up to variance right ? Ya!!! probably! )

Yes it does deliberately even it out. It has to to maintain a ** fairness* for everyone. I was told this a few years ago by a senior manager. And how does a *computer* not deliberately do or not do something. It's either programmed to act in a certain manner or its not. It's like a swaying pendulum going from side to side, there is always a middle point as to which to work with. If it goes to far one way it HAS to deliberately go back the other way to make it * fair* Now how fast it moves on each side of the middle ( or run good run bad, hit draws miss draws) how much it fluctuates for each player back and forth may vary distinctively but there always is a deliberate movement back with fluctuations.

Who told you this and maybe you could post a link to his website, linkedin page where he has posted his credentials to make these claims? Or was it just some guy down the pub after 7/8 beers?

Disciplined players do not whine all the time like you do.


Good luck with this very simplistic and deeply flawed approach if you ever get above the penny games.


If you always fold whenever you are not certain you have the best hand then you will not get into too many bad situations, except for the fact that you will lose a ton by playing like this in general.

If you tell me your user name I can have some fun sitting against you and min betting you a lot (without even looking at my cards) knowing that when you get the money in you must have a good hand, and if you are not sure then you will not "put your money in" and fold. You are actually the easiest variety of donk to play.



Be a high VPIP player then and get the rig to work for you, but sit out before the regs get it. Repeat over and over - become a billionaire. I think that is how to work your rig belief, but honestly you seem a bit scattered in your thinking (money goes from regs to donks then back to regs?)


You stopped using the English language here, so perhaps you should count to 10 and calm down over the loss of a few pennies.

After all, you are a "disciplined" player.

All the best.

nah just a senior staff member of a pokersite. No big deal. I'll keep that info to myself. It's funny to see the evolution of pokersites responses overtime as well. How much information they use to reveal about things in the past compared to now. I remember back in the day when I emailed a pokersite and asked about the wonky dealings and got a reply to the effect of yes we do get a lot of players questioning the dealings but...and than the pre written garbage they have to give to us. Or when a friend of mine emailed regarding methods to detect cheating and one of there methods was to set up the players with unfoldable hands. Oh how the new batch have been schooled to repeat the rhetoric.

Of course it doesn't have to 'deliberately go back the other way'. You might believe that it does, and you might even have been told this by someone who claimed to be a 'senior manager', but there is no reason why it should be the case.

A roulette wheel will produce an equal proportion of red and black numbers over time without 'delibrately going back the other way' if there are too many reds. It does this just by producing random numbers in the same way that RNGs are supposed to! I assure you that roulette wheels don't 'remember' which colour is 'due'.

RNGs aren't meant to produce 'certain numbers of flushes', 'make sure people suck out as often as they should', or do anything of the kind. It is meant to deal random cards, and then the laws of probability automatically take care of everything else.

This one is a pretty crazy belief even for a riggie.

Lol'd at this.

So if i told you that some senior staff member of a bank had just told me that paper money was going to be obsolete next week would you run out and buy gold?

heres a spoiler for you son

so if it doesn't matter how many hands it still does happen. And my point is the rng may be altered to * even out* more favourably during specific games to give advantages to certain players with higher payouts or room for advancement for whatever reasons while others are limited for whatever reasons. The possibility seems very strong indeed.

I lost at cash tables at pokerstars maybe 2k dollars. I never said this is big money for me. I have no problem to lose cause even best players tilt sometimes i dont tilt often though. So its not about that. Its about how you lose. If you lose with better odds against bad hands of the other player and this losses come in a row then something is not okay.
Dont change the subject going the same way like some others here adding nothing to the subject just tryin to ridicule people. So poor in my opinion. Next time you get no respond. People i cant take serious and who dont behave fair dont deserve a respond. Try to keep factual i doubt you are interested to be factual though.

FYP

I can see from this from whence your confusion stems.

The manner in which it is programmed to act is the generation of random cards. The eventual 'fairness' is a side effect of the randomness. That is why you cannot predict over what timescale 'fairness' will be achieved.

No, it does not 'deliberately' go back to the middle. It simply obeys the laws of gravity. That just happens to result in an approximation to simple harmonic motion and the repeated passing through the mid point.

It would be incredibly difficult to program the dealing system to do that.

Why?

Because there are so many metrics upon which it can be measured.

If you wanted to even up one metric, in most cases you would have to be aware of every other possible metric and ensure that your tampering did not skew any of them.

I think this might be theoretically possible (unlike tampering with the deal to favour one or a group of players without the possibility of detection), but it would be far too risky to attempt in the real world.

yes a roullette wheel does over time produce the same number of red and blacks but your forgetting a big variables which effect the short term outcome on each table. Release points of the ball, ball speed of the dealer. These are measurable variables that do effect the outcome. I can release a roullete ball almost the same speed and between the same numbers everytime and chances are the ball will fall on 1/4 of the table a higher % of the time. I am sure some * highly skilled* professional dealers can be pretty good at doing this if they have spun the wheel tens of thousands of times. The more you practice the better you get.

Of course it would be incredibly difficult to do. So are many of todays advancements in science and medicine, and computers, surgeical advancements. And with all the self profested advancements in bot detection and hacking provention implimenting a little measily source code to go and effect a program short term wouldn't be on the higher end of impossibilities

If you dont understand why this is necessary then you are just not smart enough but i will tell you. The reason is control and protection against manipulation. Did you get it now? Or is this too difficult to understand now too?
Its not about bureaucracy its more about law and order. Why people should give a company the control about a software of a game where it is played for millions of dollars? You think money is something you can allow companies like Pokerstars to do with it what they want?
Well if you thought like that or if you imagined this whatever you are wrong. As i said in previous post before. That they got away with it in past doenst mean they will get away with it in future too. But this companies can just change with hard punishment through the law. Then these guys can will know other side of the variance. The variance of how much years they have to spend in jail.

While I will let others play with the jello gimmick / fake account, I do want to point out that the roulette dealer can control where it lands theory is one of those silly myths that appears when discussing various casino angle shoots. The other one would be the guys who can control the dice at craps.

If either of these were true then the casinos would be taken for many, many millions (unless you believe all roulette dealers are inherently honest).

Again, not claiming the person behind this fake jello gimmick account has these beliefs (no matter really), but a lot of deeply superstitious people believe in all sorts of stuff like this when they wager, and that is why the casinos are as big as they are, and professional roulette and craps players look for dinner in dumpsters eventually.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Please...in detail explain this "measily source code". How many lines of code? how many hours spent working on it. And how it would be implemented to wok the rig.


I REALLY look forward to your reply.