Sorry, but this is nonsense. You would not need to do massive amounts of calculations. Apart from anything else it is impossible to keep all the stats 'in line' if you are rigging the deal.

Sounds to me as if you are not adjusting your style to handle bad players.

I'll ask you the same question that Darkus was asking another riggie, yesterday: Where are you getting that 85% favourite figure and what do you believe it means?


If your are asking if we want Evidence to back up your claim that someone said something unlikely, then, yes. No one is going to take seriously a claim that someone said something weird if you can't link to it.



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This will really spook you, but lots of companies will evaluate their customers based on the revenue they generate for them and offer different benefits to different customers depending on their contribution to income. VIP/reward programs are not always fair (which is all that you are yammering on is about), because businesses want to cater to those who will generate more money for them. On Pokerstars this is found in things like Supernova Elite with concierge service, while networks like ipoker adjust the reward payments based on their own parameters to help those that deposit more often. None of this has anything to do with the deal of the cards, though they are certainly reasons why a player can choose to play at one network over the other (which - duh- that is why these companies come up with these marketing programs).

Basically, you are commenting and getting paranoid about mundane business tactics found in every industry.


Seems the prudent suggestion is that you only play on weekdays where the mystical rig does not impact you and take the weekends off when it does. If you actually did believe in this stuff (you are not really a genuine riggie) then how stupid would you have to be to know this pattern and yet continue to play against it for many years?


At least in a cash game you could claim these "action hands" were there to build the pot and generate more rake (even though huge pots like that is actually bad for the sites in terms of long term revenue).

As is, you are staking your claim on action hands happening in tournaments with zero rake, which mean the site run these freerolls to set them up in such a manner (risking their business if caught) to gain actually nothing financially.

Also, nobody likes a wishy washy riggie, just decide if you think it is rigged in your freerolls or not already.

All the best.

I'm implying that if you know it's rigged and you know what the rig is, you should be winning more not less. If you are not doing this, I am not implying you are stupid, I am concluding you are stupid from the evidence presented

Im not talking big pots. Im talking moving the money to weaker hands which is a completely different thing ...

I still play on weekends until I have 1 million hands played on them. Then I will analyse the stats and Im quite confident the results will be on the exact lower boundary of the variance tolerance for that sample size. Im even putting money on that. I would be very surprised if it actually goes outside the boundaries cause that would be the end of online poker ...

Im getting the odds and stats from HEM obviously. I dont know where the confusion is. It tells me my equity % when money goes in ...

Im winning more against regs and loose consistently against bad players. How does that make me stupid ?? I still have a winrate to show, so I dont see were can I be stupid ?? Stupid because I still win money out of a rigged site ?? LOL

Then just play regs and never play donks, and for heads up which you play you can see regs sitting all the time so this will be perfect for you. Good like with that choice.


Then play weaker hands on days that the rig helps them, or do not play on those days if you cannot adjust to the rig to make a fortune from it (like many would if such things existed)

You are actually one of th efew paranoid guys who does not play the freerolls and the 1/2 cent poker, so why don't you go to one of the Holdem Manager database freaks ( a few advertise here) to do an independent analysis on your hands with the facotrs you believe are concerning, and if he confirms your theories then you will actually prove the site and the industry is rigged.

The problem is you want to believe in the results you want to find and that will lead to a flawed analysis on your part even if you intend to do it right.



Tell you what, do what I say with an established expert in Holdem Manager (one that posts here) who will put his reputation on the line by backing your rigged claims if they are true, and I will agree to pay for his services if he does come out and definitively prove it is rigged with your data. Otherwise you pay the guy the $200-300 or so for his work.

Since you know what you believe in is true this should be an easy deal for you to accept, and you are literally the only riggie that can afford the $200-300 as well.

How about it, you up for that, or you just need to post a couple more times to vent and "stir the pot?" That ios a valid reason to post here as well.

All the best.

Weaker hands means bad players. Its stock market jargon and I apologize. It doesnt mean plying 32 offsuit ...

We will talk about the analisys when I get to the 1 million mark ok ? Still short about 500k hands on weekends (and Im only playing weekends until that mark. After that I will self ban myself every Friday ...

And one more thing. I have a friend who actually plays poker for a living and hes secret is: "NEVER PLAY ON WEEKENDS".

ok see you in 3/5 years

Maybe not cause I play a lot more tables now than in the first year and half

Weekends do mean more bad players and that does tend to up the variance quite a bit. I enjoyed losing many 50-100 BB shoves pre-flop to donk nuts hands like A7 , KQ and 33 among the 85% VPIP crowd this past weekend.

You will have a hard time convincing me that playing bad players is the wrong thing to do long term unless you fail to adjust your game to these bad players ( I do see many MTT players who are better than me doing some really bad plays against the mega donks that can only work against a thinking player).

You can always just play against other regs if that is the genuine +EV choice for you.

I would be interested in that analysis when you get the hands, and be gentle to the real riggies in this thread who might think you are a pure riggie when you are not

I had a REALLY REALLY bad time convincing ME its EV- to play bad players, let alone convince you

I know that our perception of things is results oriented and thats why I want to have a decent sample size and then make the analisys. So far the massive percentage of losing sessions I have on weekends really confuses me. And believe me, I have tried to adjust my game left and rigth to try to actually beat the game on weekends but nothing seems to work, when I start getting coolered and badly beaten by those types of guys hand after hand after hand ...

Im not here in a quest to bull**** anyone. Im genuinely trying to go to the bottom of this and what the numbers say, good or bad, I will have to swallow ...

You know you are not a real riggie (like others in this thread). You actually grind and do fine at the games. I know you are mainly venting, but not much else I can offer.

If one of your buddies told you over and over how he keeps losing to bad players because they get lucky and coolers happen all day long vs donks what advice can you really offer other than "don't play bad players or stop whining and just play more."

When you get your million hands we can find someone to do that study of yours, but the real issue is your mental game and you know it.


Anyway, good luck if you play today (it is a weekday after all).

That's fine, but if you're not willing to share your data (to allow people to check your numbers and methodology to see if you've calculated corrected and have found a result that is a significant standard deviation away from expectation) then don't be surprised when no-one (outside of BR) takes you seriously or at face value.

After loosing 14 out of 15 all ins in a day you can bet your ass Im venting

Especially the heads up games i made the results are just spectacular. Remember i said the guy got allin every hand first hand of every new game.
If someone questions that nobody would go allin like this even not the worst maniac i have to say it was 2 dollar nl holdem heads up games so it was not that much money. But the results prove that Pokerstars is rigged.
If someone says it doesnt prove anything then he knows nothing about mathematics. As i said mathematics is an important element in poker.
Some say here always there is no evidence. If you dont open your eyes you cant see anything if you dont open your ears you cant listen.
Look at the numbers they dont lie. Look at the statistics they dont lie. Statistics say something about the past but they are clear. Odds are clear. You can call it variance ten sng games or at cash games certain amount of hands. But after some amount you cant call it variance anymore. If you dont believe ask all the mathematics professors in the world and you get your answer.

Sure, numbers don't lie, but you really haven't provided very many of them. There are ways to figure out if variance can likely explain your results but you haven't demonstrated that. You've just declared it.

It's statements such as the one underlined above that make it difficult to believe that you are able to apply the clarity of thought necessary to draw inferences from what you see.

It's virtually gobbledegook.



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OK

OK. What are the difference in 'statistics' between these sites. Let me guess: You are winning (not losing) at a better rate.

Are these the numbers that you have chosen not to post for reasons known only to you?

Can you think of any ways to use this information?

Because you seem certain you have identified why you lose and chose to keep doing it

This won't end well.

We'd love to. Post them

We'd love to. Post them.

You must read better. It has been heads up sngs for two dollars. So even the guy goes allin every hand and has bad luck he can just lose something like fifty dollars not that much money. Maybe he did this for fun or he knew he would win i dont know but the results are clear. I was surprised myself but it happened like that and this guy won more games than me. I dont care if you believe or not this is the truth i wrote this for all poker players cause i like this game and i dont like people getting cheated by a site like Pokerstars.

[QUOTE=Bingo_Boy;30478448]OK



OK. What are the difference in 'statistics' between these sites. Let me guess: You are winning (not losing) at a better rate.







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Yes i am winning at the other site continuously at same cash games i have played at pokerstars. I check my statistics with Holdem/Omaha Manager and even if i wouldnt check i know the odds for most hands preflop and on flop and board coming approximately. At Pokerstars i played same way with no difference and lost even with good hands deepstack or shortstack doesnt matter it was always the same. I had good odds preflop and i had good draws and many outs at flop and still i lost more often than it is likely. That was the reason for losing money. At Pokerstars players who even had no pair or a draw at flop would beat me with turn and river card which looked strange cause just a complete maniac or a player who knows which cards will come can call that bets.
But if you ask me if the site i am playing at is riggedfree i cant give you a pleasing answer cause i am not sure. Until now it doesnt look rigged but you can never sure with poker sites until their card gemerator isnt controlled by a state.
I remember some years ago i won at 5max sngs nearly thousand dollars after some months and then suddenly i lost within two or three weeks i lost my complete bankroll. I jumped to bigger games with better players around obviously but that dont explain how i could lose so fast everything. That there are better players the higher you climb is clear but it doesnt explain that even best hands didnt hold up after i made this profit at that time cause at most games i am a competitive player and proved that and and as i told i made thousand dollars out of nothing. What i want to say is that maybe poker sites dont let you go up after certain profit or they use some kind of site players or some players used collusion against me.

I'm kinda bummed that I left this thread alone over the weekend and mikejfi didn't make a single post, probably because when you get called on your bull**** from every angle it's hard to pretend to ignore it. Wowzerooni, you can calculate odds on hands? That's a pretty rare skill, and certainly means you're capable of remembering every action in every hand. You say you lost, and when you continued to play the same way, you continued to lose!? Good heavens! How much more? If only there was a way to exploit something like this! Agreed, nobody every moves up in stakes beyond their skill and loses everything. That never happens to anyone, clear evidence of sweet delicious rigging. Yep, those are the only possible reasons you're not a billionaire from your poker skills.

[QUOTE=truthsbehind;30478870] So is your claim that there are superusers, or that the deal is rigged? Is it both? Or any old reason that allows you to rationalize your results?

[QUOTE=NewOldGuy;30479330] Some would say i played mentioned hands shortstacked but i was deepstacked 100BB or more so the guy could have folded after preflop raises and reraises and potbets on flop but he didnt and he got two pair after turn and river and i watched these things alot. If i would be shortstack he is committed somehow but deepstack its ridiculous or the guy just throws his money out of the window.

Whats you point?
Tryin to make everything ridiculous? Is this all you are able to do?
I dont think that aynone can make out of nothing or lets say ten dollars thousand dollars without skill in 5max sngs cause it hasnt been just some games to the top cause thats not possible it has been many sngs with small steps. Try being a bit more factual or its hard to take you serious here.
Lets come to the odds i think most good poker players dont know odds exactly but you can look your hand and you can see the flop and you know approximately what your odds are. To know the odds fully exactly you have to know not just your own hands you have to know everybodies hand on the table and thats just possible for some kind of superusers. I dont say that there are superusers at Pokerstars but i am sure they cheat players. If you are not allowed to win you cant win.
Some people look at this rigged/not rigged thing like makin an ideology of it. You should be impartial in this subject. I experienced what i described. Are you working for a poker site? Just a funmaker of everything in forum? Whats the purpose?
I made the proposal here that Pokerstars should allow United States to control their card generator. If Pokerstars accepts i am sitting at cash tables at Pokerstars again and you can check some of my skills.

It's already ridiculous. I never said anyone could, I just said that people try to move up in stakes and get destroyed all the time, even live. I've been as factual as you have. Obviously you can't know your exact odds without knowing others' hole cards, but you pointed out that you could calculate your rough odds as if it was some magical skill, and not something completely standard that most players learn toward the beginning of their learning process. What benefit is there for Stars to not allow you to win? Impartiality doesn't mean your default assumption is that everyone is out to get you. Ok. Nope. Well, when people make posts that are blatantly false, I enjoy making fun, yes. Boredom? Why would PokerStars want a country that views their business as illegal regulating them?

Why would the United States want to regulate a business they view as an illegal criminal enterprise?

Why is the United States the best regulator for any business in existence?