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Originally Posted by Arouet
Some riggies think that calling someone a shill is a sufficient refutation of their arguments. It's not. It's just a way of trying to poison the well and get other people to dismiss the arguments for fallacious reasons.
Doesn't matter if anyone here is a shill or not - the arguments for and against what they wrote are exactly the same.
Honestly, you have debating "fancy play syndrome" in that you are putting your opponent's behavior on a level that does not exist. Reminds me of when players send me a hand and ask "how can an opponent do that, what does he think I have?" The answer after a quick sharkscope search which shows the opponent loses at a -85% ROI is basically that the opponent did not think, he probably did not even have his monitor on when playing.
All of your rules of logical and rational thinking apply when two people are having a proper dialogue/debate, but you are not in a dialogue with that blatantdude, and never have been. You are essentially speaking to a recorded message which never varies and will never change.
Your critical thinking rules simply do not apply in this case, because they are not part of his game plan, so in the end it is you who are wasting your time by trying to get him to play by a set of rules he has openly ignored.
Kind of reminds me of the "good players" who keep trying to bluff drooling calling stations off a hand. They keep playing chicken against a guy who is driving at them while asleep and wonder why these donks keep crashing into them.
That being said, guys like blatant do serve a purpose if you use them properly. Making fun of him/her/other is pointless since he is a taped recording machine, so ignore any direct contact, but use him/her as a model for other riggies and watch how much they avoid the topic. They know he is poison to their beliefs so they ignore any attempts to be linked to him, and then after you do that you can do a breakdown of the critical thinking process those riggies are using by avoiding the blatantdude.
I get that you are into critical thinking, but back away and explain to me exactly what the point is in talking directly to that blatantguy, when the past 100+ attempts have gone to the same nowhere place. He wins whenever anyone does that, so just put him on ignore and use him as an example to other riggies, as to what they can become. He genuinely has scared away more riggies than all the shills combined which shows the power of a living zealot over the dull critical thinking explanation as a means of making a point.
Also, be more evil. Encourage them to be creative in their conspiracies. Amuse yourself with their odd fixations (like the riggie who has a thing for fat dudes). Hurl them at the stats guys in the probability forum. Lots of ways to have fun with riggies once you appreciate the game they are playing.