The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 3330 - Internet Poker

Sorry, I can only dumb things down to a point, and I do not have a translator for English to whatever language you speak at times.

If you want to get help analyzing your database (which I doubt - because liars lie) then I told you how to do it. I had no expectations you would actually do it, because you never follow up on anything.

All the best.

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06-21-2017 , 01:51 PM

#83227

Darkus63

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Originally Posted by jungmit

There is no one to find. Where am I going to find someone?

Two people who did work on sets of hand histories were SpadeBidder and Wiki. They were two of the more knowledgeable posters on this thread. Neither posts much now, but if you PM'd them you might be lucky.

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06-21-2017 , 03:27 PM

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alex20823

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Jungmit, are you telling me that wherever you live, there is no person that has advanced knowledge in statistics/maths ?

The thing is, as Monteroy already suggested, you'll most probably have to pay for the analysis to be done. If you don't want to do it, that's fine also. Not that anybody expected or expects for your database to look anything other than normal.

It would be nice though to see you at least pondering why your theories are absurd. Or take the other way around if not. Go bat**** insane with your theories. At least it would have the potential for some little entertainment.

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06-21-2017 , 04:26 PM

#83229

jungmit

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Originally Posted by alex20823

How would I know if they have advanced knowledge in stats? I don't know anyone who plays online poker. None of my friends have advanced knowledge of stats. I am not willing to pay a complete stranger to look at my database. The 72k hands is lifetime database. I used hem1 for a shirt time many years ago and lost everything when my hard drive died.

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06-21-2017 , 04:55 PM

#83230

alex20823

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Originally Posted by jungmit

Then accept the word of the people more knowledgeable than you in these forums when it comes to stats when they say that the chances of it being rigged is 0.01% and move on. And even if that 0.01% is true, that doesn't change much because any rig that might be in place is small ( because it managed to avoid statistical detection up until now ) and has no real effect on you being a winning player or not.

72k? I thought you said you have been playing online poker for 20 years. So you've played 10 hands a day on average ?

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06-21-2017 , 11:33 PM

#83231

Lego05

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Originally Posted by jungmit

There is no one to find. Where am I going to find someone?

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Originally Posted by Monteroy

There are people who have posted ads for doing database analysis for players. Probably some older ones in the coaching forum.

Here is one:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...s-shnl-827925/

I remember there being another one there, but I don't see it now. Maybe the listing expired.

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06-22-2017 , 03:49 AM

#83232

Wiki

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Originally Posted by Darkus63

Spadebidder did a massive study, but it was across a set of many player's hands.

I did help out a couple of posters here, but they were not persistent riggies; just apparently reasonable people who thought there was something specific askew with their stats.

Gratifyingly, they were both quite happy to accept the results which showed, unsurprisingly, that their datasets were not in any way out of the ordinary.

I somehow doubt that someone who has made 750 accusatory posts in this thread would accept any result that did not confirm his preconceived notions.

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06-22-2017 , 01:20 PM

#83233

jungmit

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Originally Posted by alex20823

I been plyijng online since 2003 and most of the time I used no hud.

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06-22-2017 , 01:24 PM

#83234

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Wiki

Depends what u tested for. Not interested in how often I hit a flush draw or how often my axes hold up. I am Interested in a test showing how often I get aces and someone else also gets a premium hand at the same time. How often I get AK AND RUN into a pocket pair. How often some has an over pair and his opponent flops top pair. How often someone flops top pair or top 2 and runs into a set.These are the things I am interested in. I don't care about the outcome of the hands

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06-22-2017 , 02:24 PM

#83235

Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by jungmit

I am Interested in a test showing how often I get aces and someone else also gets a premium hand at the same time. How often I get AK AND RUN into a pocket pair. How often some has an over pair and his opponent flops top pair. How often someone flops top pair or top 2 and runs into a set.These are the things I am interested in. I don't care about the outcome of the hands

How many times should these things happen within a total of 72k random and fair hands?

Will it make any difference to your beliefs if the results of an independent analysis of your 72k hands agree with the number of times they should happen with a random and fair deal?

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06-22-2017 , 03:22 PM

#83236

alex20823

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Originally Posted by jungmit

how often my axes hold up.

Do you have problems with the handle or with the wet stone ?

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06-22-2017 , 03:56 PM

#83237

Obvious Shill Alt

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Originally Posted by jungmit

You can check all of these things pretty easily with HEM filtering but like Mike said there's not much you can do with the data without knowing the expected outcomes of those things.

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06-22-2017 , 05:35 PM

#83238

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt

You can check all of these things pretty easily with HEM filtering but like Mike said there's not much you can do with the data without knowing the expected outcomes of those things.

I am sure u can. I just don't know how to do it.

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06-22-2017 , 05:37 PM

#83239

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

It could make a difference. What we need know is how often it should happen then compare the numbers

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06-23-2017 , 01:31 AM

#83240

Bobo Fett

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

Will it make any difference to your beliefs if the results of an independent analysis of your 72k hands agree with the number of times they should happen with a random and fair deal?

Nope. He'll just come up with another theory.

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06-23-2017 , 01:46 AM

#83241

alex20823

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Originally Posted by jungmit

It could make a difference. What I need know is how often it should happen then compare the numbers

FYP.

If you don't know how often a certain scenario should happen, it doesn't mean nobody does.

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06-23-2017 , 08:05 AM

#83242

Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by jungmit

I am sure u can. I just don't know how to do it.

jungmit

If you were going to keep rolling a fair die, how often would you expect to roll a 6 in the next 96 rolls?

(It's likely that you won't roll a 6 exactly that number of times, but the figure I'd like you to state will become the average after enough sequences of 96 rolls.)

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06-23-2017 , 08:37 AM

#83243

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

Would have been more fun if you said 94 rolls.

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06-23-2017 , 09:14 AM

#83244

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

1 die? U should roll a 6 1 out of 6 times

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06-23-2017 , 09:44 AM

#83245

Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by jungmit

1 die? U should roll a 6 1 out of 6 times

Correct!

But I asked, "If you were going to keep rolling a fair die, how often would you expect to roll a 6 in the next 96 rolls?"

See if you can answer the question that is asked, this one time, please.

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06-23-2017 , 09:56 AM

#83246

alex20823

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Jungmit, I'll give you a hint. It is a number between 15 and 17.

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06-23-2017 , 10:30 AM

#83247

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

U will see a 6 as often any any of the other numbers . What is your point tho?

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06-23-2017 , 10:36 AM

#83248

Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by jungmit

1 die? U should roll a 6 1 out of 6 times

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by jungmit

U will see a 6 as often any any of the other numbers . What is your point tho?

JFC.

Please try your very hardest to answer this question: "If you were going to keep rolling a fair die, how often would you expect to roll a 6 in the next 96 rolls?"

(If you had answered two posts ago, I would already have told you the point of my asking.)