It seems crazy, but ACR has more suckouts once players are all in than any other site. I would love for someone to analyze my hands. My belief is that once two players are all in, the hands do not play out equal to the odds (ex: Ive only won with KK 53% of the time when all in preflop.)

Let me know where to upload.

Guys, too much fighting in here.
This should be an opportunity for both sides to make $ in this while adding extra fun to the thread.

I propose the following:

A winning reg that believes the RNG is rigged is picked. Let's call him X.
He plays a certain large sample on PS(because it's the most reputable site out there still).
He has to table select in order for the "It's rigged for the fish" theory to be in effect.
He runs bellow EV, he gets paid the difference by the "RNG is not rigged side" ppl.
He runs over EV, he pays them the difference + 10% extra.
(if you give me 1% extra on the outcome of flipping a coin, I'd take the bet. So 10% should be more than enough).
The player(X) emails pokerstars to ask for his HH at the end of the bet, the HHs are imported from the email directly into HM2 by all parties involved so that no shady stuff can be done about the results.

A lot of prop bets can be done on the side with custom extra % offered by the "RNG is rigged" side.

Don't fight, let's all be friends. You've been fighting for 3322 pages and it doesn't look close to being over.
Just put your money where your beliefs are. :-)

P.S: obviously this will not prove either theory even on a large sample, but people will make +EV bets. And they can always repeat the bet for another sample.

Well it's not like we have a choice to play the game of life, do we. DOH

Only a fool would choose to play a game which he thinks is unfair.

How many times were you supposed to win? You only told us your KK wins 53% of the time but of course if you're running into AA the majority of the time that's probably higher than expected. https://www.dropbox.com/
https://mega.nz/

We're only on page 831, you ******* *****.

FYI

eh

One of the janitors from the HQ of Pokerstars in the IOM told me once that the RNG itself is not rigged but it is connected to the toilet flushing system. Therefore, everytime somebody at the HQ takes a ****, your A A gets flushed on the river.

Some would say that Pokerstars employees suffer from diarrhea.

Ok well ...if the guy can have his AA's beat by garbage 7 times in a row and you yourself agree that this is "standard" in poker, I think we've passed the point where poker is really "a thing". It's popularity is already in the dark ages like it's 1982 again and I don't think very many people have interest in a game where they can beat someone 7 times in a row and yet lose each time. There is no other game on earth like that lol. That's the whole point of a game. The winner wins.

Once again - Never, ever, ever see anything like that in live poker. Only online. How can that be?

I also have to be completely honest with you guys: Let's just take the US by itself. In the US, other than on the internet and specifically this site, I can't remember meeting and talking to one soul who didn't laugh at the idea of online poker and say "it's horribly rigged". So, whether it's rigged or not, do believe that the overwhelming perception in the US is that online poker is rigged and this is a huge part of the reason that so few people play it. There's 350 million + people in America. The vast majority of them don't even know you can still play online poker in 2017 if you're an American. It's in the shadows.

As an aside, 2p2 is the only place that I've ever seen hostility toward people who suggest online poker is rigged. FWIW.

Can you post anything that would be considered the slightest evidence that "the guy" lost with A A seven times [B]in a row[B] ?

If it was at all the relevant portion of my post I definitely would but since it's not, no. I won't.

Next time then have that guy lose 14 times in a row. That should have double the impact.

All the best.

okay, let's analyze your post.


The first paragraph is basically some whinning that somebody lost 7 times in a row with A A. You refuse to post something to demonstate that it even happened. So that's about that with the first paragraph. The only other thing that I would comment about is the phrase " the winner wins". Well, the best hand usually wins at showdown ( since you used this phrase in correlation to AA supposedly getting cracked 7 times in a row ). Well, if you have A A you're not guaranteed to win by the river. Shocker, I know.


The second paragraph says that you have never seen something like that in live poker. Well, I've seen flopped quad 8's vs aces full live, straights beaten by runner runner full house, top set beaten by runner runner flush or runner runner straight. I can give you many more examples. The thing is, the number of hands played online greatly surpass the volume of live players, hence the more crazy hands. The thing is, when it happens live, nobody thinks oh "I've been cheated", they take it for granted. If online, your As Ks loses to 7h8h all in preflop which is little more than a coinflip, lots of people scream RIGGEEEED!


In the third paragraph you go about US people thinking online poker is rigged. You make an assumption. You say you have never encountered a person that has never said that OLP is not rigged which I suspect to be false. And in regards to your statement that the reasons why americans don't play online poker because they think it's rigged I can only chuckle at it. Have you ever heard of Black Friday ? Stars and Tilt getting flushed out ? Legislation and illegal to play online poker in many states ? FYI, before Black Friday there were americans that screamed RIGGED as you do, maybe even harder and louder than today, but there were a lot of americans that played online poker.

I know that ACR accepts US players and I presume that a lot of them play there.

Your last paragraph is about 2p2 being hostile to riggies. Go to any reputable poker forum and you will be surprised to see the same thing. To give you a similar example, I am European and we love football ( you call it soccer ). Lots of people have the "gut feeling" that matches in the top leagues across Europe are systematically fixed and that referees, Football associations, Clubs, Governments etc. are in on it. I used the word systematically because, of course, if you do a quick search there have been some corrupt referees or clubs that accepted bribe from third parties to fix the matches. The thing is, they've been caught. Am I saying that all football matches are fair ? No. There might be some that are fixed, because hey, human nature, but the idea of an International Fraud system to fix matches with this many people involved in it is totally baloney. The same can be applied to this discussion.

P.S. : Now can you post evidence ?

Look, man: You're from Romania and no offense but you're extremely out of the loop as far as "earth" goes. There are probably many, many things that you're naive about or totally unaware of due to your extremely obscure, isolated location that no good would come from an extended discussion between us.

US players don't give a **** about poker anymore. That's a fact. Tens of thousands in a country of 370+ million is pretty much the very definition of dead. More people play Bingo at this point.

The argument that your point of origin or location on this "earth" is a big factor in terms of what you know or are aware of amuses me. Look man, no offense, but it may come as a surprise to you the fact that even us, Romanians, have brains and some of us use them better than the average American.

That being said, the extent of what you are aware or not aware about has nothing to do with the country you originate from.

Your sense of superiority that comes from the fact that you are from America says a lot about your knowledge and view of the world, but in all fairness, I do agree with you that any further dialogue conducted between us would be futile.

Congrats about moving the goalposts to me being from Romania.

Online Poker is rigged? Discuss

I would bet a very large amount that no one anywhere, ever, can provide a verified hand history showing they lost 7 times in a row with AA in a real money game.

I say real money because it's possible if you have 4 or 5 callers to the river every time, which might happen with play money.

I have to believe it has happened, as the odds are not that extreme to be near impossible. Assuming about a 1/6 of losing each time the odds of 7 in a row would be about 1 in 280,000, and as well one does not start the count until after a loss, so 6 in a row have to happen after an AA is cracked.

There have been riggies that claimed they lost aces 20 times in a row, so that was a clear lie. This guy was also lying/whining/trolling/who cares before his ban ( I assume he is a gimmick of a past banned account), and while I certainly would be surprised if any individual riggie could provide proper data, I would think the bet that this has never happened would hardly be a slam dunk, even if one only counted heads up hands that were all-in before the flop.

No. Accepting your 1/6, that's 1 in 280000 occurrences of having 7 AA hands. Nobody plays that many hands in their lifetime. The average number of hands needed for this to happen once would be over two hundred million hands dealt.

Sure - it is Powerball winning territory, which is why a disposable riggie doing a whiny claim without proof has zero value. However, people do win the Powerball, despite the odds, because a lot of tickets get purchased. Similarly a lot of people have played a ton of online poker, with likely thousands of players having databases of millions of hands and some into the tens of million of hands. Some players were mass tabling 50-100 tables at a time for a while and would never even see the results of all-ins.

Obviously a lot has to do with how one defines "losing with AA" as to whether it includes multiple hand all-ins, or even includes losing at showdown (which some players will do more often through fancy play syndrome). However, if one limits it to just heads up all-ins pre-flop, it would be interesting to see the odds of it if one assumes that 5,000 players each have a database of 2,000,000 hands and an additional 50,000 players each have a database of 200,000 hands.

Not sure a real discussion like that should take place in a thread like this any more .

Guys he is already banned.

Wonder what the ban/not banned ratio of rigtards is.

Tricky to say as many riggies have been banned a ton of times.

The fact that disposable one was banned did not matter, as he did not matter, nor was he involved in any way with regard to the discussion about the claim of

Probably a semi-interesting math puzzle to be debated in the stats forum if anyone was that interested.

AGAIN: I HAD PLAYED PS ZOOM POKER FOR A LONG TIME. SOME PERIODIC TIMES YOU WIN, SOME PERIODIC TIMES YOU LOOSE.
FOR EXAMPLE IN WINNING TIMES; IF YOU ARE PLAYING MULTITABLE, YOU OFTEN HIT AT THE SAME TIME SETS. YOU TAKE THE POT WITH RUNNER RUNNER STRAIGHT vs AA, SET ETC.
IN LOSING TIMES; YOU HIT SET BUT LOSE TO FULL HOUSE, RUNNER RUNNER STRAIGHT. YOU 3-bet with AA vs KK, BUT KK WINS.
I THINK, PS LIKES TO BLOWING UP THE POTS. RANDOM CARD GENERATOR IS LIE.

WHOEVER PLAYES A FEW MONTHS MULTITABLE ZOOM POKER, WILL REALISE THAT.

LOL does not begin to cover your post, sir. Thank you!

Omaha is worse, I lost to a guy who got four of a kind twice in the same hand. Do you ever see 8-of-a-kind in a live game!

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