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01-01-2013 , 01:57 AM
Faen: why don't you download the demo and play around with it?
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01-01-2013 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Faen
What's the point of having money that you can't use? Also, how could I find out that withdrawing makes it worse without withdrawing? It really cracks me up how you tried to be smart this time lol.
Haven't you claimed that it has happened on all sites you have played on for hundreds of thousand of hands? Why did you think this one would be different?

You claim that you win until you withdraw and lose straight afterwards so it is fairly obvious that you should keep playing and increasing stakes and then quit playing as soon as you withdraw. If you are really too stupid to spot this after hundreds of thousands of hands on different sites with te same rig, I don't know why you keep calling me stupid.

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If I lose 99.99% of the big pots with the worst hand on the flop it is still rigged. None the less the main point is as an example: one could rig the game by dealing someone higher flush or full house every time you have flush yourself. Then you would have the worst hand and still lose. It would then be a setup to suck money out of costumers.
This would clearly show up in a simple analysis of the hands which you can't be bothered to do so you just make up numbers instead. (oh, and lol "costumers")

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Also FYI random knowledge such as how to spell words is not related to intelligence, logical skills etc. So the fact that you couldn't understand this simple fact is yet another indication of you being a ******. So I'm awaiting your further posts and I'll use my ****** tracking skills and gather enough statistical evidence to fully prove that you are a total ******
I am sure there is no correlation at all.

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Can such a program track statistics related to certain pot sizes? Because that is what is relevant. What determines wins is how both you and the opponent has good playable hands but yours is better. When the game becomes rigged, this happens all the time in the opponents favor to the point where it is almost impossible. Also as soon as I click all in on the flop with 80% chance to win I always lose. If a poker tracking software can check these kinds of things, it might be able to identify some riggedness for me.
No you don't.

How about making things up without realising how ridiculous they are - is that a good sign of a ******? Or asking stupid questions here rather than showing a bit of initiative and doing some research yourself?
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01-01-2013 , 08:57 AM
ok here is your answer. it is a program so obv there is a pattern. is it rigged. yes for some not for others. Just like life is rigged for some and not for others.is it rigged for you. no. is it rigged for spacegravy. yes. that'sife, get used to it.
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01-01-2013 , 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by endgame
ok here is your answer. it is a program so obv there is a pattern. is it rigged. yes for some not for others. Just like life is rigged for some and not for others.is it rigged for you. no. is it rigged for spacegravy. yes. that'sife, get used to it.
4 posts since 2009, three of them being in this thread. Who's gimmick are you? You don't seem very dedicated to it. Might want to step up your game a bit.
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01-01-2013 , 10:46 AM
Riggie fatalism might be the new trend for 2013...


Faen, I told you earlier this week that these other shills would try to distract you with their logic and statistics and software stuff - why did you fall for their traps?

You know what the rig is, you have control over it - just use it as I suggested to make money on it instead of continuing to lose to it.

You remind me of a bad casino bonus whore (there were several) who would continue to bet at a site after the bonus was completed to chase a loss instead of simply moving on to the next bonus where he was +EV. I never quite knew what drove those people (I assume some degen thing), but in the end they put their raw emotion ahead of money.

Do you like money? If you do then stop debating everyone here, cash out of William Hill already where you are doomswitched (amazing that you keep playing there when you know how the rig works), and create and deposit money on a new account.

Get your identification documents in order as rooms ask for them now when a withdraw is requested, so stop being a common poker player life donk and get your stuff in order and start making a fortune from exploiting the rig instead of being a whiny degen and losing it all.

You are in a position to be a ray of hope for riggies everywhere if you can just get your act together and approach exploiting the rig in a professional manner, so use 2013 as an opportunity to do this instead of repeating your mistakes from the past.

All the best.
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01-01-2013 , 03:24 PM
Its rigged but I bet you anything you still wont quit!!!
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01-01-2013 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by CallawayKM
Its rigged but I bet you anything you still wont quit!!!
Wrong Sir,
I quit that rake/slot machine jokerstars as the RNG did not meet my required standards even if I did have my best year $ wise in 2012.
FYI I still play on other sites and have a much more enjoyable experience.
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01-01-2013 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OnE OuT On RiVeR
Wrong Sir,
I quit that rake/slot machine jokerstars as the RNG did not meet my required standards even if I did have my best year $ wise in 2012.
FYI I still play on other sites and have a much more enjoyable experience.
Perhaps you could tell us which sites have a fair RNG that meet your required standards and then discuss it with riggies who disagree.
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01-01-2013 , 07:22 PM
Just a casual observation, but riggies seem to have a much more incoherent unintelligible writing style than your typical poker player.
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01-02-2013 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
4 posts since 2009, three of them being in this thread. Who's gimmick are you? You don't seem very dedicated to it. Might want to step up your game a bit.
Some people aren't paid to post in here every day by poker sites.... There is a life outside shilling - you might want to try it.



PS. It should be 'whose', not 'who's'.

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01-02-2013 , 11:57 AM
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Just a casual observation, but riggies seem to have a much more incoherent unintelligible writing style than your typical poker player.
I suggest keeping your ignorant casual observations to yourself.
Par exemple: English may not be the native tongue.
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01-02-2013 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OnE OuT On RiVeR
I suggest keeping your ignorant casual observations to yourself.
Par exemple: English may not be the native tongue.
But it may not be the native tongue of non-riggies, either.

The observations stands and is well made.

Of course, it's not surprising since to be a die-hard riggie - the type who mainly posts here - incoherent thought patterns are pretty much de rigueur. So, it would naturally follow that their writing styles would be similarly incoherent.
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01-02-2013 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BadBeatBandit
Some people aren't paid to post in here every day by poker sites.... There is a life outside shilling - you might want to try it.

Gotta pay the bills!


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PS. It should be 'whose', not 'who's'.

Yeah, I actually noticed that after I posted but couldn't be bothered to fix it.
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01-02-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
But it may not be the native tongue of non-riggies, either.

The observations stands and is well made.

Of course, it's not surprising since to be a die-hard riggie - the type who mainly posts here - incoherent thought patterns are pretty much de rigueur. So, it would naturally follow that their writing styles would be similarly incoherent.
What educational credentials do you posses with your expertise in stlylometry and applied linguistics in the study of a "die-hard riggie"post this must of taken some time and effort I would like to read your PHD thesis on this subject as you profess to be an expert in this field.
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01-02-2013 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OnE OuT On RiVeR
What educational credentials do you posses with your expertise in stlylometry and applied linguistics in the study of a "die-hard riggie"post this must of taken some time and effort I would like to read your PHD thesis on this subject as you profess to be an expert in this field.
My PhD was in computer science.

However: If a doctor took out one of your kidneys when you went to see him with a sore throat, would you need a medical degree to know that he's ****ed up?

Similarly, anyone with a normal grasp of the English language can detect badly written and incoherent prose - something most riggies spew out with monotonous regularity.
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01-02-2013 , 02:21 PM
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My PhD was in computer science.

However: If a doctor took out one of your kidneys when you went to see him with a sore throat, would you need a medical degree to know that he's ****ed up?
Thats one imaganaitve useless analogy tangent you just took there,I did chuckle.

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Similarly, anyone with a normal grasp of the English language can detect badly written and incoherent prose - something most riggies spew out with monotonous regularity.
Would a 6 year old child with English as a first language detect more or less than a person with an English masters degree?without considering other factors
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01-02-2013 , 09:18 PM
Hi, players and non-players! Glad to see you are still going at it. I think I might subscribe for a bit again for a little entertainment. Did nickybro ever show up again? I wonder how his game is going these days. I will have to search for some posts of his.
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01-02-2013 , 09:48 PM
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01-02-2013 , 11:24 PM
Oh hey gzer! Nice to see you back. You never replied to my post. I'd be interested in your thoughts:

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I've picked up a thing or two from my time in this thread. Where I don't understand I can point to someone who does and show their explanation.

There are plenty of stats knowledgeable people who have explained, in detail, why an undetectable rig that significantly affected player behaviour is not likely possible. There have been NO stats experts who have demonstrated the opposite.

So as a lay person, where should I side? With the experts? Or with the non-experts who just know in their gut that there's some magic formula out there that they can spot while playing but is imperceptible to statistical analysis?
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01-03-2013 , 03:10 AM
I have over 1,000,000 hand samples on Intertops poker which is on the Revolution Network (same network as Lock) and I am ranked 8th overall on the site. After multi tabling 20-30 tables, 8 hours a day I can tell you this site is rigged and the RCG is not random at all. After cashing out $20,000 in May of 2012 I have been unable to produce a winning month. I am over 100 BI under EV. If someone saw my profit graph compared to my EV graph that would be evidence alone of the legitimacy of this software. After losing about a steady $1000-$3000 a month (even after making over $3,000 a month just in rakeback and leaderboard money), I decided I had enough. I asked my brother who is a programmer getting his doc at UNH right now to help me and he got some buddies and looked over some stats using HEM2 and another program they created. Here are some statistics that make no sense. I took a small sample of 100,000 hands and these are the results. Btn wins 65% of time when 2 or more hands go to showdown. SB lost 68% of time on the same token. When measuring aggression factor we took a smaller sample of 10,000ish hands. Aggressor of the hand (player who raises preflop either 3-bet, 4bet whoever put in last bet) won SEVENTY EIGHT PERCENT of Pots. Not all of these went to showdown but 78? Is this random? There are many other stats I have I am not sharing because we are trying to come up with some way to get a lawsuit together if possible which it is probably not because of how protected these people are. However if anyone is interested you can email me at dayyuuuumx3@aim.com. I have had better results on the merge network and have made the full switch in the last month. GL at the tables although luck has nothing to do with it.
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01-03-2013 , 03:40 AM
Ive been playing at party poker for the last few months and I think its rigged.

I notice I almost always lose the big pots when I am heavy favourite to someone who gets very lucky. And its consistent. Its like they bait you with the small pots, then when you get a big hand, and go all in they deliberately manipulate the flop. turn, river and clean you out.

It just happens too often at the worst times.


I know we hear about guys like DURRRR, and Victor Blom winning millions online in a few months but does anyone really believe that? With the large amount of variance, involved I simply do not believe that durrr made millions from a one time $50 deposit. There is simply not enough edge online to do that without live reads. You cant be that lucky or good consistently online.

When it comes to money fraud is almost certain if its allowed. If the biggest banks are openly committing fraud and not being prosecuted even after the market crash of 2008, then why wouldn't these poker company's be doing the same?
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01-03-2013 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Ive been playing at party poker for the last few months and I think its rigged.

I notice I almost always lose the big pots when I am heavy favourite to someone who gets very lucky. And its consistent. Its like they bait you with the small pots, then when you get a big hand, and go all in they deliberately manipulate the flop. turn, river and clean you out.

It just happens too often at the worst times.


I know we hear about guys like DURRRR, and Victor Blom winning millions online in a few months but does anyone really believe that? With the large amount of variance, involved I simply do not believe that durrr made millions from a one time $50 deposit. There is simply not enough edge online to do that without live reads. You cant be that lucky or good consistently online.

When it comes to money fraud is almost certain if its allowed. If the biggest banks are openly committing fraud and not being prosecuted even after the market crash of 2008, then why wouldn't these poker company's be doing the same?
I don't know how experienced you are, but has it occurred to you that the reason the pot is big is that other players have very good hands thus making it unsurprising that you lose a lot more of these pots than the small ones that result from most players having weak hands?
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01-03-2013 , 04:29 AM
But I have the best hand even after the flop, and always get bad beats to the river. Once again, I understand it happening sometimes but its so consistent.

It really seems like the hands are scripted for big pots and bad beats for specific players.

It seems like EVERY hand someone catches the flop, and EVERY time there is a flush draw someone gets one, or there is always an ACE on the flop when you have kings of queens, and someone almost always picks up a straight.

Its SO easy to get busted with a very strong hand, by trips, or something, so I dont understand how guys like Dwan can get to millions from 50 bucks. The amount of bullets they would need to consistently dodge and the luck they would need is mind boggling. And don't give me the nonsense that they are so skillfull. Poker is still dominated by luck, and they are at the mercy of the cards just as much as the rest of us.

People call you with junk and flop straights all the time, or trips. The only way to survive is to avoid big pots unless you have the nuts, which makes it almost impossible to win big.


Its to the point where its pointless calling anyone who raises big because no matter what I have I get beat, unless I have quads. They always out draw me no matter what.
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01-03-2013 , 05:01 AM
The question that needs to be asked is, if it possible to manipulate the cards within the boundaries of statistical probabilities. It doesn't matter if im getting aces every single hand, is its programmed each and every time for someone else to draw trips or 2 pairs to bust me. If it possible to cheat and cover it, then you can bet its being done. The number 1 priority for cheats is to be able to produce 'evidence' they are not cheating, which would be the statistical data we always get thrown around, as a possible smoke screen, so I really don't have much faith in that.

They probably have their own bots on every table designed to manipulate the game. Why not if they can? The lure of billions of profits is out weighed by the gambling regulators in Zimbabwe? Anyone know the penalty for rigging the game? Would it out weigh the motive?
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01-03-2013 , 05:14 AM
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But I have the best hand even after the flop, and always get bad beats to the river. Once again, I understand it happening sometimes but its so consistent.

It really seems like the hands are scripted for big pots and bad beats for specific players.

It seems like EVERY hand someone catches the flop, and EVERY time there is a flush draw someone gets one, or there is always an ACE on the flop when you have kings of queens, and someone almost always picks up a straight.

Its SO easy to get busted with a very strong hand, by trips, or something, so I dont understand how guys like Dwan can get to millions from 50 bucks. The amount of bullets they would need to consistently dodge and the luck they would need is mind boggling. And don't give me the nonsense that they are so skillfull. Poker is still dominated by luck, and they are at the mercy of the cards just as much as the rest of us.

People call you with junk and flop straights all the time, or trips. The only way to survive is to avoid big pots unless you have the nuts, which makes it almost impossible to win big.


Its to the point where its pointless calling anyone who raises big because no matter what I have I get beat, unless I have quads. They always out draw me no matter what.
This happens to everybody.

If you can't handle bad runs, this game isn't for you.
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