If you were going to rig it - geo-targeting would make sense. Euro players are generally newer and less experienced. You would want to foster that. Also US players may not be long for this world. Might as well fleece them while you still can.

Sssshhhhhh.

And create another way of detecting a rigged deal? If American players were being dealt different cards than say Europeans, this would be detectable one would think.

OTOH, the more experienced players are the ones who would be first to notice if there was any rigging going on because it would tend to leave evidence.

Ooops.

There I go with the 'E' word again.

When is I goin' to learn to hush ma mouth.

Evidence!?!?





Lions and tigers and evidence, oh no!





You must be on something...




It's rigged, I tell you...





and here's how they do it:

Listen, I am just trying to think through all the logistics of creating a rigging system to favor certain categories of players. It's reasonable to think there could be motive for this from a business point of view. Although it's HIGHLY LIKELY that the complications of pulling it off, and the risks of getting caught would greatly outweigh any benefit, and ALMOST CERTAINLY preclude a reasonable company from trying it.

But I still think it's worth exploring. Please don't lump me in the with guys you are enjoying your ongoing pissing contest with. thx

See my earlier longer post. I discuss how it might not even be detectable, or a possible algorithm to balance out the distribution which wouldn't add that much complication to an existing rigging system.

The point is that you can't just claim as gospel that any rigging would definitely show up, or that it would be impossible for the sites to counteract any potential anomalies before they could show up in a large distribution.

What if you came over to my house and watched me lose 1000 12-table SNG sets in a row? But then do ok playing 9-10 table sets. Or 52 losing weekends in a row, but do ok during the week. Would that do it for you? Because it sure feels right now like that would happen if I had the BR/time to test it. I've played 50k sngs and I've had a couple runs in the last 2000 that I've never seen before, or even thought possible.

My claim is that any sort of rigging that is worth while would more than likely be detectable. Is anything possible? Possibly. But I see absolutely no reason given the current evidence to believe that any sort of rigging of an RNG is going on.

There are countless ways that any company could commit fraud, but I'm not going to suspect they are unless I see evidence for it. The only evidence for rigging in this thread are "mind patterns".

Downswings != rigging.

Anyone on a downswing is naturally going to think negatively about their future prospects for success. Most successful poker players though quickly realize it is just variance and if they are actually good at poker they will win in the long run.

I actually recognize what you are trying to do, though you should know after thousands of posts in this thread from very emotional people on both sides that it is not that easy to slide into an actual reasonable, practical, logical theoretical discussion.

I certainly believe that crime is possible, however nearly every way most of the riggedologists suggest would be utterly impractical (if not impossible) to do, and would be almost certainly caught (either by players or someone involved spilling the beans).

It could be an interesting theoretical discussion, but I just cannot see it going far as if small sites will cheat players they will do so by not paying out cashouts and poofing, and larger ones are much more interested making a lot of money for as long as possible and will focus on how to do that instead of risking it all for really strange ways of cheating players for no real gain.

Guess I am not quite sure where you expect it to end up that makes any sense as a crime.


I had a NL sit and go run last week that would surpass most riggedologist's made up stories. At the same time I went 91-9 in a set of 100 Omaha DoNs which I also have never done before. All together I broke about even for the wee.

Weird stuff happens, it is bound to happen. However, the next step if one believes something sinister is at work is to ask why they are targeting you, since that has to be part of it since it was you who was impacted.

You underestimate technology my friend.

You're right. And somewhere back in those hundreds of pages of this thread those things have been discussed a time or two, as well as in other threads of this forum. The logistics are pretty daunting and the math doesn't work out, and I have made a cash offer a few times to anyone who could come up with a viable system for redistributing equity to increase rake (with some conditions).

Yes, in LIVE POKER. Maybe you should give it a try

It makes me sick to see you guys defending these poker sites to the death like they are run by your next door neighbor. This is the problem with people today, people judge books by their covers. You see a couple "successful" people running around posting positive EV graphs and see people like Tom Dwan on ESPN and that is automatic justification that online poker cannot be rigged. You're being lured into something and you don't even realize it.

Perhaps you aren't aware, but live vs. online poker has something like a 10x differential in skill level per stakes. I won't go over all the reasons this is true here, you can research it, but it's pretty well established fact. A 1/2 cash game live plays similar to a .10/.25 online game generally. And a 1/2 online game usually plays at the skill level of about a 10/20 live game. Maybe that's the problem.

No one here is doing that. Almost all posters would be open minded about real evidence and investigate it in a heartbeat, but they have no tolerance left for nonsense feelings and patterns and anecdotal bad beats and manipulation that is immune to statistics and men from mars.

You've convinced me! What, with your vast amount of evidence brought forth in this thread.

Tons of people make their living playing online poker. Kinda shows your ignorance when you admit to thinking Tom Dwan and a "couple other people" are the only successful players.

I suspect that if qpw hit his head against a brick wall he would continue to do it until the poker sites told him he could stop.

Whoa! You totally just took that joke and flipped it around! You are hilarious! Please teach me the art of comedy.

lmao


THERE IT IS!!! Because other people do it, it must be legit. Do you think for yourself? Or does someone think for you?

Do you think these poker sites would still exist if not a single person won? It's called a payout percentage (Check out slot machines for more info).

How many times do people have to tell you that nobody has said that there is no way it could be rigged. Are you stupid? There is absolutely no indication that anything dodgy is going on and all logical reasoning and analysis would suggest that it isn't. Do you have any argument other than:

Rigging is possible + Pokerstars like money = It is rigged

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Ummm, no. Poker is a zero-sum game and the house charges you a fee to play it. Who wins and how much they win doesn't change the house earnings. The house would actually have maximum earnings if everyone always broke even and no one ever won. ducy?

You've shown you are pretty ignorant so I won't bother with more corrections.

And you really don't see the difference between slot machines and poker?

i hear poker is *EXACTLY* like a slot machine.