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Originally Posted by sirswish6
even if the rng is not completely random, doesnt that mean its not completely random for everyone? how is anyone at a disadvantage and how do poker sites profit from it not being random?
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To expand further...
Let's assume the poker rooms have hardware rng.
Now, let' not assume that the output from said hardware rng is then sent through software. To say it is not would invalidate anything you say since we're all playing through software.
now, let's assume that the output from hardware isn't what the software wants it to be, for whatever reason.
Let's assume the software collects x amount of info from each table, and x amount of info from each player at each table.
let's assume that the software can determine that player b is more likely to deposit more money after losing his/her bankroll than player c is. Player B is a tight player who doesn't really advance or decline one way or another.
So let's assume that the software is cheating in order to gain more money per deposit.
If all of the above is true, then it doesn't matter what the hardware originally spits out.
The reason for this is because the software is designed to know that so long as player b wins x amount of hands, but ultimately loses more than he wins, he will make another deposit.
Assuming all of the above is the case, player b will ultimately lose more when the odds are in his favor, because the software knows he will simply deposit more money anyway.
now, of course there are other factors in place, such as those starting with nothing and making it big. Sure.. this can happen, and happen a lot, for 2 reasons. First, it would assist in removing any suspicion that said poker software is cheating. Secondly, it would give those who are habitual depositors hope that one day they can "make it big", with the end result that they keep chasing the dream and depositing money.
Now, the above is one hell of a scenario, but when you're talking millions of players and billions of dollars in play a day, it is not something that can be ignored without true data. The problem with this is, how do we know the data we are being shown is true? As is with any other money scam, we will be shown what the company/person/entity wants us to see. So we are ultimately left with either believing or disbelieving what other people on the internet tells/shows us.
And please.. let's not bring the "auditors" into the above scenario... Because all it would take to pass an "audit" is a few changes to a few variables in the code of the software...
Just because the claim of "hardware rng" is there, doen't mean it cannot be altered after passing a ton of other data through the software.
And again... yes, we're talking extremes... but look at what we're really talking about... online gambling. Gambling itself carries a great level of risk.. now let's take the face to face level of risk gamblings brings.. then let's pass it through some software that serves more players than any live table would, and can determine more about each player than any live table ever could... And "decisions" of what cards to deal to whom at what time can be made simply based on data from each player.
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