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03-10-2024 , 02:29 AM
Im fascinated to understand what you think those screenshots show. A 67 hand session and a 551 hand session where in both you won over 20% of the hands. On one, you won 57% of showdowns but on the other only 30%. You don't indicate whether you made a deposit or not before these sessions or whether you won or not during these sessions.

There have been enough supposedly outlandish claims made over the years in this forum that turned out to be true that I never dismiss them out of hand anymore, but you're just giving us nothing here.

And one last question - if you know "for sure", you have a free money printing press. Go for it and let us know how it works.
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03-10-2024 , 02:33 AM
I'm not sure if this is entirely true but somehow i can relate to this, i haven't deposited single penny since first deposit and game constantly tries to bust me but i always move down stakes and grind back, running cycles like a mouse, i'm micro/low stakes player you can check my thread in goals what coolers and bad beats i got lately it's damn insane and after i won last BBJ and placed top 20 in daily flipout things got worse and worse

I noticed i was doing pretty well when my red lane was high and i was 3betting a lot and bluffing a lot post flop, winning pots before showdown but as soon as i adapted to more stable playing style to win more at showdowns with better hands things got worse

Maybe this is just normal variance, maybe not but im starting to believe that online poker can be programmed as they want to give us hard time, live poker is purest form as it should be, online poker is just simulation and cannot be 100% trusted in my opinion
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03-10-2024 , 02:39 AM
Fish are just fascinated with poker sites rigging RNG. Despite it being the only form of cheating that was never proven in the last 20 years aka never happened, and despite the fact it is by far the hardest way for a poker site to cheat you.

Forget unbeatable rake with ambiguous rake back, house bots, forget RTA, VPN(half of GG is playing from Austria ok lol), super using, or any form of collusion… your opponent hitting a flush is the biggest red flag.
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03-10-2024 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Punker
Im fascinated to understand what you think those screenshots show. A 67 hand session and a 551 hand session where in both you won over 20% of the hands. On one, you won 57% of showdowns but on the other only 30%. You don't indicate whether you made a deposit or not before these sessions or whether you won or not during these sessions.

There have been enough supposedly outlandish claims made over the years in this forum that turned out to be true that I never dismiss them out of hand anymore, but you're just giving us nothing here.

And one last question - if you know "for sure", you have a free money printing press. Go for it and let us know how it works.
the screenshots are a typical example of how "good" i run after every deposit i make. as you can see im up 300bb+ in a short time in both cases and it is like that all the time for when i deposit. i never hit those numbers otherwise, only badbeats mostly or just a regular non profitable game. i deposit more than 15 times on the site. small amouts, usually once a week, and it is always like that, they are boosting people who deposit by giving them easy boards and an advantage.

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Originally Posted by ProffesionalMalaka
Fish are just fascinated with poker sites rigging RNG. Despite it being the only form of cheating that was never proven in the last 20 years aka never happened, and despite the fact it is by far the hardest way for a poker site to cheat you.

Forget unbeatable rake with ambiguous rake back, house bots, forget RTA, VPN(half of GG is playing from Austria ok lol), super using, or any form of collusion… your opponent hitting a flush is the biggest red flag.
doesnt mean they wont try and maximize profits

Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-11-2024 at 06:49 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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03-11-2024 , 08:19 AM
variance, look it up
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03-12-2024 , 03:22 PM
It's not just variance. It's ego and lack of discipline

Even the best players go through downswings. They just end up profiting anyway because variance has nothing to do with your true win or loss rate. Variance just determines how large or small your swings will be, be that up or down...

It is very hard to handle the downswings psychologically. The reason people believe in the "cash out curse" is because they are seeing things that aren't actually happening. Cashing out doesn't make you lose. It's just that a withdrawal coinciding with a downswing yields an association which combines with the already difficult effect losing has on the mind...

Your bankroll is always going up or down. Deposits and withdrawals have nothing to do with it

The other issue is a lot of players have lower true win rates than they think they do and either can't, or refuse to comprehend/admit that. There are also a lot of losing players who think they're supposed to be winning players when they just aren't ever going to plug their own leaks or are too arrogant and/or lazy to even try to do so. So many other reasons

Within that, variance makes it very difficult to navigate the process of yielding profit. If you think online poker is "pointless" because of variance, then I've got news for you. You just don't handle it well and you also may not actually be beating the rake and your opponents in the long run. Luck obfuscates the true hierarchy of skill, but skill wins out in the long run every single time. I and others I know are living proof of that

Also, if you hate variance in online poker, then daily fantasy sports would like to say "hold my beer"

Dfs is ****ing impossible and way way WAY higher variance than poker. Poker is like an ATM machine to me. Dfs...I strained myself trying to get better and all I yielded was a few grand...

Suffice to say, losing ****ing sucks and affects you more than winning does. It is not a 1:1 effect on the mind. You have to understand, accept, and be prepared for that if you want a chance to have success. Even good players go broke because it isn't just about being good at a poker. You have to manage your ego and have discipline too, both in understanding the math and how to properly manage your bankroll (assuming you actually even beat whatever games you choose to play in the first place)
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03-14-2024 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadsmaster
... i have found an exploit (although some people are probably already abusing the **** of it and keeping it to themselves) ...
Those good for nothing's!!! How dare they cheat you like that!?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-15-2024 at 08:07 AM.
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03-20-2024 , 03:08 PM
I own a video that to anyone else but me could look as though the hand I played was fixed, as I clearly lost the hand and the software said I had won with a 9 high straight and I was paid out as the winner, I did not make a straight I had 7 high, the hand was played out to the end, which included betting /calling and checking.

My opponent should of won the this with a pair but lost. I got the sites replayer up and immediately checked everything, then of course I took a picture of the hand and number and then made a video of the poker hand,

I tried to get in touch with Ipoker and Betfair but after spending hours running around talking to bots and chat reps telling them I wanted to talk with Betfair, which they would not do unless certain conditions were met, so I gave up. I think it would be easier to talk with Genghis Khan

I then emailed Playtech to see if this would interest them, and got a nice reply saying unfortunatly they can do nothing to help as it comes under the privacy regulations with my account and was told its up to the site which hold's my account.

So now I own a video which could possibly be as rare as hen's teeth, if nothing else it will be my party piece among the live poker community.

Ps. would love to know if anyone else has a similar video.
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03-22-2024 , 10:26 AM
why dont you post the video. i would certainly be interested in. seeing that.
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03-23-2024 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by donjonnie
why dont you post the video.
i guess he had 67 and the board came A89xx
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